Setting the Three-Ring Circus Tent Straight on Vilna
Vilnius’s not-very-popular Rabbi Krinsky isn’t seeking power and communal infrastructure. Never! He’s just “mammish mesiras nefesh!â€?
Hirshel Tzig made a composite of his pro-Chabad comments on a new post, “Setting the Vilna record straightâ€? to show how reasonable it is for Chabad to take over the Vilnius Jewish community against their wishes and against their traditions.
I would like to analyze some of these comments, as well as others from his earlier post that Hirshel did not see fit to repost.
Mottel writes,
“Let me tell you all, don’t believe me . . . Go fly out to Vilnius and spend time speaking to the local Jews in Lithuania. If you need internet I can recommend a good internet cafe for you to e-mail me your results from. As well, throwing in Moshiach matters has Zero connection to the story at hand. We’re speaking about a very small community here, where two shuls are not needed . . . but in any event Rabbi Krinsky runs things from the Chabad house which is a de facto shul.
In other words, if you want to dispute the community’s contention that Chabad has no right to take over, you have to go to Vilnius yourself first and see if that’s the case. However, if you want to believe us that this is really what they want, you don’t have to go to Vilnius, you can just believe us. Ana wrote,
“For the record, in many towns in Lithuania there was a majority of Chassidim (Like Rokishok), and their decendents are still around today. In Kovno a few old ladies came over to me and told me with pride that they shtammed from Chabad!)�
Hirshel actually saw fit to print an argument on his own post claiming that it wasn’t clear at all that Chabad wasn’t an integral part and parcel of the normative traditional Vilna Jewish heritage and experience. Let us be clear, the majority of Vilna was NOT Chassidic, and certainly not Chabad. This is absolute drivel. Do not listen to this sort of revisionism without laughing in the person’s face.
Hirshel himself writes,
“There’s no need to bring any “what part of lita was Chabad?” into this conversation. “
Of course not. Because if you do, the answer is YOU DON’T BELONG THERE!�
Milhouse wrote,
“I like the claim that Burshtein “shares its traditions and customs”. What traditions and customs? Before Krinsky came to town there was no yiddishkeit at all. Every single shomer shabbos in Vilna is the result of Krinsky’s work. “Local leaders continued to look for a rabbi, a Litvak like them.” Is Burshtein really like them (what “them”?), a mechalel shabbos and chazzer-fresser?â€?
In other words, the minhagim of this community does not need to be respected since they are not religious after 70 years of Communism. Chabad is perfectly entitled to step in and ignore their communal history.
Now, compare this to the 2004 article “Quarrels keep Vilnius synagogue closed,� in the non-Jewish Lithuanian newspaper The Baltic Times, and tell me who seems more reasonable and more respectful of the Lithuanian Jewish community?
“VILNIUS-The only practicing synagogue in Vilnius was closed on Aug. 30 for the third time this year due to unresolved arguments between the Jewish Community of Lithuania and the Chabad Lubavitch organization[…]For generations, members of the Vilnius Jewish community were known not only as followers of Gaon, the renowned commentator of the Talmud and the Torah, but also as strictly opposing the Chassidic movement.
Therefore, during the interwar period, Chassidic followers had almost no property in Vilnius that they could nowadays reclaim.
Finally, in 1994 Rabbi Krinsky established Chabad Lubavitch, the first Chassidic community in Vilnius[…]
According to the Jewish Community of Lithuania, Krinsky started calling himself chief rabbi about three years ago on the Internet and in the Lithuanian media, despite the fact that no elections were held to elect him.
Still, the Jewish community refuses to recognize Krinsky as their rabbi. Over 500 Litvaks signed a document strongly disagreeing with the Chassidic rabbi’s candidacy.
“We have suggested that our rabbi and Krinsky could take turns in celebrating mass. However, he did not want any compromises,” said Alperavicius.
In February a group of Krinsky’s followers gathered secretly to elect a new council representing the Jewish community. The documents were later sent to the Ministry of Justice for registration.
“Where and when in the world did one organization [Chabad Liubavich] have a right to re-elect the leaders of another organization [Gaon followers]?” wrote Milan Chersonsky, editor of the Jewish community newspaper Jerusalem of Lithuania. “Fortunately, their intents failed because the Ministry of Justice realized the legal null of the documents.”
During the Litvak congress, while supporting traditional Gaon followers’ positions, Litvaks from 13 countries signed a resolution declaring that the actions of the Chubad Lubavich leader are a matter of great concern.
Rabosai, our brothers in Lithuania wish to follow their ancestors, and resist Chassidic aggression, ESPECIALLY Chabad, even as they are publicly mocked, and their wishes and history denied. Suddenly we are supposed to believe that this ancient epicenter of resistance to Chassidus – ESPECIALLY Chabad – is in need of Chabad leadership.
Listen to these Chabadniks’ insanity, as it demonstrates they don’t have a leg to stand on, or they would say something that actually made sense.
Right, Hirshel?
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Why does Chabad Rav= Chabad leadership? In my home town the Chabad Rav has collections of Seforim on Sefardi minhagim because he caters in large part to sefardim. He does not impose ‘chabad views’, he is a rabbi who happens to be chabad, and of course he walks the walk and talks the talk but in 30 years has never actively tried to to turn the community into a bunch of clones!
Such dripping cynicism.
Did Rabbi Krinsky ever organize memorial ceremonies for the Gaon? For Chaim Volozhiner? For any major Lithuanian rabbi?
No.
Did Rabbi Krinsky teach classes on the Gaon’s commentaries?
No.
Did he teach mussar classics?
No.
Did he teach Tanya and hasidut?
Yes.
In other words, he tried to turn the community into Chabadniks, and ignored their history.
Dk is not cynical; DK is spot on.
DK is a fool, and he has Scotty to prove it. He knows nothing about the situation there, and fantasizes about a bunch of Litvaks sitting in Vilna trying desperately to hold on “to the traditions of their forefathers.” Nothing can be further from the truth.
Right, Hirshel. R. Krinsky is a victim of “Cossaks” and “Communists.”
Keep up the name-calling and hyperbole, and be content to just preach to the choir. I overestimated your importance as well as your character.
You are irrelevant. Just another infuriated Chabadnik incapable of seeing anything from anyone else’s point of view when your hegemonic goals are challenged by the locals.
i dont understand why you have to personally attack each person that comments. To disagree with their point is one thing, but to attack them as a person is something else. If you dont want people disagreeing with you, turn off comments so you can keep the focus on yourself….which is your goal anyway
You make a worthwhile points, but could you do me a favor and take the two legs you so eloquently stand on and go on shlichus.
Chabad Rabbis and particularly this Rabbi, went to Vilna and other far flung post communist destinations before you Yeke’s awoke to claim “the city of your heritage”. For all your caring your just simply put, a misnaged, an opposer, never actually on the cutting edge buy always on the cusp of something, something great.
Kvetcher. I couldn’t have termed you any better.
(This is a comment that I posted on FailedM. But it is about this discussion.)
I was in Vilna when Krinsky was not allowed in on Shabbos. There were more local Jews ouside the shul davening in an alley with Krinsky than inside, by the way.
A factoid about the sort of people who are fighting Krinsky: The “head” of the community, Alperovich (apparently a former MVD guy, something like the KGB) would come to Krinsky’s soup kitchen even a month before they had a final tiff. After that his wife would come and would get a double portion to take home. Told to me by a Russian cook in Krinsky’s kitchen. The cook yelled this to Alperovich when she was not also not allowed to get in on that Shabbos. A;perovich just smiled grimly.
Burstein is a complete nut. I saw him in Vilna and I saw him in Latvia. The guy is on a personal jihad against anything that is not “Lithuanian”. This is acknowleged in non-Chasidic circles as well.
Anyone who has worked in the region knows that all this bickering has nothing to do with community elections, local heritage etc., but rather it’s about money and power. It’s really about the real estate and the ambitions of non-Chabad and Chabad groups in the region.
It’s pathetic how Alperovich et al are using the the Lithaniain heritage as a springboard to attack Chabad. The guy does not know, nor appears to care, how to open a siddur and so is the rest of his kehilla.
For example, the gabbai, after being pissed off that Krinsky gave a Dvar Torah, after kabbalos Shabbos left the shul (on Shabbos of course) and called Alperovich on his cell to the laughter and geers of most of the community. The next morning Alperovich was doing face control with Lithuanian guards with a video camera as enforcers. Most of the people were left outside.
I don’t care much for either side but anyone who makes this picture into the good v. evil is sadly mistaken.
Burstein is a Rav Elyiashiv worshipping nut (in Riga he called him something like the Tzaddik of the generation). He is just a pawn (a hired gun) in the haredi game against chabad in Europe. Is he just like a meshihist. Is Lithuania better with him there? Absolutly not.
This is one of those stories where there are no good guys, just loosers all around.
Final note: there was a Lithuanian journalist who was covering the shul events and he said: “wow, I thought only Lithuanians were ready to kill each other like this, but I guess not…” He was a bit shocked by it all..
well said, Max.
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