Lawyer Needed to Sue Chassidim in KJ
I heard through the grapevine that friends of Gitty Grunwald are exploring options to sue the Satmar community of KJ in Monroe. KJ pressured Gitty to get engaged, and then they expelled her from school for being engaged. Gitty does not have the degree nor the education needed for vocational success. The only thing these KJ Satmar people are trained for is to be ultra-Orthodox fanatics, so they can pay for those individuals who decide they want to burn in hell and do something else.
If you or someone you know would take this case on consignment, please contact me, and I will pass along your information to those who need to know.
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Try the Rockland County Community mental health center. At one time there was a special outreach center for the ultra orthodox, mostly counseling woman, many of them in Gitty’s position.
Does she need a lawyer that knows how to deal with divorce law and the charedi beit din? If so, I know someone who specializes in that area that I can refer you to - I can’t help with just regular civil damages.
if so.. email me please
sorry to say, but you people are just missing a few facts here.
i know the story well, and gitty is lying about how she got engaged to yoili. she is one of the only girls in KJ who got themselves engaged all by themselves with no parents involved.
Gil,
Regular civil damages, with a background in constitutional law, thanks.
Gimpel, 17 is underage, even in KJ.
This is a far greater tragedy then the fate on one person.
Unfortunately the Haredi Chinuch system is not in anyway educational but rather is a cult method of mind control. The Supreme Court messed up badly in 1970 in the case of Wisconsin v. Yoder in failing to recognize the dangers in allowing cults to withdraw children from proper education.
That case involved the withdrawal of Amish children at 8th grade from compulsory school attendance who would then be offered ‘continuing informal vocational education to their children designed to prepare them for life in the rural Amish community’ (Child Labor?). The Supreme Court found “that the evidence showed that respondents sincerely believed that high school attendance was contrary to the Amish religion and way of life and that they would endanger their own salvation and that of their children by complying with the law.” The Court then scandalously sustained respondents’ claim that application of the compulsory school-attendance law to them violated their rights under the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment.
Their was one dissenting opinion -
“I agree with the Court that the religious scruples of the Amish are opposed to the education of their children beyond the grade schools, yet I disagree with the Court’s conclusion that the matter is within the dispensation of parents alone. The Court’s analysis assumes that the only interests at stake in the case are those of the Amish parents on the one hand, and those of the State on the other. The difficulty with this approach is that, despite the Court’s claim, the parents are seeking to vindicate not only their own free exercise claims, but also those of their high-school-age children…. On this important and vital matter of education, I think the children should be entitled to be heard. While the parents, … normally speak for the entire family, the education of the child is a matter on which the child will often have decided views. He may want to be a pianist or an astronaut or an oceanographer. To do so he will have to break from the Amish tradition. It is the future of the students, not the future of the parents, that is imperiled by today’s decision. If a parent keeps his child out of school beyond the grade school, then the child will be forever barred from entry into the new and amazing world of diversity that we have today. The child may decide that that is the preferred course, or he may rebel. It is the student’s judgment, not his parents’, that is essential if we are to give full meaning to what we have said about the Bill of Rights and of the right of students to be masters of their own destiny. If he is harnessed to the Amish way of life by those in authority over him and if his education is truncated, his entire life may be stunted and deformed.”
Gitty like all children who are subjected to Hareidi Chinuch have had their lives stunted and deformed. Being uneducated they are unable to cope in modern society. Indeed the main purpose of Hariedi Chinuch is to entrap children in their parent’s world through abusive and emotional manipulation. Those children when they become adults are in a similar situation to a demoralized and lonely battered wife in an abusive relationship. At least Gitty being a child of a BT has grandparents and other near relatives for support, other children do not.
We should weep every school day morning when we see little children being loaded on to buses to be taken away for Chinuch. They may dress strangely and have odd haircuts but they are as much our children as any other and should have their choices when they grow up. Those Jews who railed against the South Africa’s Bantu Education Act 1953 as being a law to prevent the advancement of Africans by limiting their education to agriculture (a bit like the Amish) should see what is happening in their own neighborhoods and fight for the Supreme Court to overturn Wisconsin v. Yoder. Parents should have no more right to refuse for religious reasons to have their children properly educated then to deny then medical treatment for religious reasons.
did i say anything about her age?
all i said was that these two married each other by themselves. and there is no one to sue here.
gitty was the -mind the expression- “public toilet’ in KJ. and she & yoili decided to marry. the whole story about her looking out of the window is a pure lie.
Gimpel, the articles say she was married at age 17. That could only have happened with caregivers’ explicit and documented consent. Therefore I will not bring myself to believe that her parents had no doing in the marriage. At that, Yoeli was 18 at the time of marriage, which constitutes as sexual abuse of an underage person from his side according to US law. Underage people above age of consent may only entertain sexual relationships with underage people above age of consent. It’s the law. If the families and community let them get away with that, they are guilty because of negligence, which, in itself, is subject to penalty by US laws.
Oh, and I do sense catty jealousy there. Possibly because Gitty is pretty, perchance?
Jealousy??? gitty is available 24/7 for anybody….
and b”h i aint in any need for her. i think my wife is much preetier then her.
and if you are familier with hasidic culture, without going into the virtues or lack therof. you would know that marrying from a prestigious family counts more then looks. so no one i know of would be jealous of marying a girl from such a dysfunctional home.
her parents gave parental consent, in order for things to be arrenged properly before there are facts. (you sound smart so i dont see a need to be explicit)
and in any case, if a girl of 17 picks up a boy of her own choice. and her parents acceed to “her” wishes, granting her the legal consent neccesary for marriage. what are the grounds to sue? isn’t this what the law was intended for?
The law is there to save youngsters from abuse; by consenting to a marriage to an adult, her parents condoned of what constitutes as sexual abuse in the US.
I’m pretty familar with the Chasidic community; while names might matter, I couldn’t fail to notice the anorexic girls in Brooklyn (BP mostly) with standardized noses thanks to (mediocre) cosmetic surgery. I also know the Chasidishe circles well enough to know that there are plenty of married and unmarried men more than ready to get things on with a woman they find attractive that is not their wife. And it’s not just stray outcasts, but also prominent rabbis.
Anyhow, your statement referring to Gitty’s libido gives me the impression that you or guys in your immediate surroundings have not managed to make her available; such a condescending remark typically reflects hurt male pride.
If you will excuse me now, I’ll call a few trustworthy people in your community to see what the true story is. Gossip is dangerous as anyone might fall on the receiving end of it someday. If you care, I’ll be in Brooklyn next week and the week after next.
Froylein,
I don’t fault you for being unaware of this (since you’re not a citizen). I just want to make a small correction: The age of sexual consent in New York is 17.
HalfSours, sexual consent and adulthood are two different matters. Only read up on it yesterday. In the US, you may only have sexual encounters with a person that’s above age of consent and underage (= younger than adulthood) if you’re above age of consent and underage yourself. Otherwise you can be persecuted for sexual abuse.
so let me ask it again, in a very clear manner.
can a man of 18 legally marry a girl of 17 under NYS law?
yes or no, please.
No, he can’t if he is going to consumate the marriage, that is finalize the wedding through having sex.
libe froylin,
you are wrong
http://wings.buffalo.edu/law/b.....hidden.htm
not in only about marriage but also about having sex
Froylein,
Statutory rape only applies in New York (these are state laws, not federal) when the perpetrator is over 21, and the victim under 17. In any case, all concerns of statutory rape are null and void when the couple is in a legally recognized marriage. You can read more about it here:
http://wings.buffalo.edu/law/bclc/web/NewYork/ny3(a)(1)-.htm#130.25
Wow, Gimpel. Gotta love that google!
Froylin,
you claim to have just read up on it. may we know what you read?
took it from wiki not google…lol
It was an easy mistake for someone not familiar with our legal system. I don’t know diddly squat about the age of consent in Germany.
halfsours,
i wonder why she didnt answer yet.
how do you know she is from germany? by calling herself fraylin?
Read it in the visitor information provided by the US embassy in Germany, which advises visitors to avoid just such constellations as they’re illegal under US law.
Gimpel, bet your wife would appreciate of you giving her a hand with the housework instead of being on the internet.
Age of consent in Germany is 16, 14 with parental permission. You may get married and vote in federal and state elections from age 18 on, but may get married with parental consent to a non-adult peer from age 16 on. You can vote in community elections from age 16 on; wines, beers and champagnes can be had from age 16 on, spirits from age 18 on. Passive right to vote (i.e. to get elected) is age 21, age 40 for the position of president. Till age 16, you’ve got to be at home by 8pm unless accompanied by a caregiver or participating in publically acknowledged cultural organizations or sports clubs, 10pm from age 16 to 18. Age of smoking has been risen from age 16 to age 18.
so mein libe froulein do you admit to being wrong?
i am working now to bring home bread for my family. an night i will tuck my kiddies into bed.
my wife appreciates your concern….
Farvos, mein lieber Gimpel? It’s the information the US embassy gives out, which I consider an official representative of the USA.
Nur broit?
age consent laws are varied by state, they arent federal laws.
you checked the link i posted?
redst yiddish oder deutch?
Ich red a bisele yidish.
Froylein,
The laws of statutory rape are different for every U.S. state. Is it possible that you perhaps misunderstood the pamphlet, and that is the cause of this confusion? I’m guessing that’s what happened, as there isn’t one unanimous law in regard to statutory rape in this country, and you seem pretty insistent that this is a matter of U.S. law, when it is actually a matter of New York state law. That sounds to me a more likely scenario than the New York Penal Codes (as published by the University of Buffalo) being incorrect. I’m just making an inference, as Gimpel and I have seen the Penal Codes (linked above), but have no way of reading the pamphlet that you saw.
Can we [read: you] graciously admit that we were mistaken on this matter, and thus stow away the pitch fork and torch that are aimed at Gitty’s parents?
HalfSours, please don’t assume agression on my behalf. I’m not an aggressive person. I’ve only just shared what I read, which was coming from the US’ official representation in Germany.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.....ted_States
so were you unaggresive but still wrong?
I guess that’s a no.
why cant i post?
check the link which comes up by my name.
do you admit that you were -with no aggresive intentions in mind- WRONG?
Gimpel, the spam defender blocks comments with links until I approve them, and I was at meetings earlier today, so did not get to it until now.
Gimpel, not just did they meet themselves, but also they mate themselves too
Let’s just say the stork came just a handful of months after their wedding
does anyone here know what satmar halacha is about use of prostitutes for men when their wives are niddah?
CPR,
I hinted on it by saying “her parents gave parental consent, in order for things to be arrenged properly before there are facts. (you sound smart so i dont see a need to be explicit)”
someone also wrote that on NYMAG’s website. what do you think happened?
they took it off!!!!
so much for honest journalism
BTW Sarah promised to check out things with the ppl in the community she knows.
anyone know when and if she will report back with her findings?
I AM THE MOTHER OF A 34 YEAR OLD SON LIVING IN BENSONHURST BKLYN.WE ARE OF ITALIAN DESCENT AND ARE ROMAN CATHOLIC.I HAD THE MISFORTUNE OF MEETING GITTY GRUNWALD IN SEPT. OF 2007.FOR APPROXIMATELY 3 MONTHS SHE MADE MY LIFE A LIVING HELL.SHE PRACTICALLY MOVED INTO MY HOME AND DISRUPTED THE LIVES OF MY WHOLE FAMILY.AT THIS TIME SHE MADE NO EFFORT TO REGAIN CUSTODY OF HER CHILD.MY SON HAD AN ONGOING BATTLE WITH HER OVER THIS.HE EVENTUALLY LOST HIS JOB OVER THE SITUATION.HE WOULD TAKE DAYS OFF WORK TO GO WITH HER TO FAMILY COURT BUT SHE WOULDNT EVEN GET OUR OF BED TO GO WITH HIM.AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED SHE IS USING THE SYSTEM FOR HER OWN MEANS AND NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF HER CHILD.THERE IS SO MUCH MORE I CAN SAY BUT TIME WILL ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO FIND OUT THE TRUE NATURE OF GITTY.I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE COME TO HER AID FOR SO DID I UNTIL I DISCOVERED HER TRUE NATURE. .PLEASE STOP AIDING HER IN THIS WITCH HUNT AND INVESTIGATE HER FURTHER BEFORE YOU CONTINUE TO ENLIST THE AID OF THE UNSUSPECTING PUBLIC……….SANDRA RUGGIERO BKLYN NY
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