Frummies Continue to Flock to Jewcy Denouncing Shmarya as Anti-semite
Hopefully, management will take control of these crazed penguins, but the truth is, you know you are hitting home when the frummies start violating Godwin’s Law. I suspect a lot of them are Chabadniks, because, 1) The Rubashkins of Agriprocessors are a Chabad affiliated and supported business, and 2) Chabadniks are notoriously thin-skinned when it comes to criticism. Big Aish and of course, OU types simply don’t behave this way unless they are very young. Even Dark Light type fundies don’t act like this. They just scream about how Evolution is a scam and we can’t understand the reasoning behind some stupid, stupid new Gedolylim ban because WE AREN’T ON THEIR MEDREGAH!!!! Idiots. Anyway, I wrote the following:
Listen up, penguins. Some of us came here way before you people, when you were still shlugging kaparos (oh, right, you still do that, sorry) and cursing the “treife medinah.” And OUR ancestors fought hard for workers rights and conditions, so if you think we are going to shut up because you call us “Nazis,” well, you are in for a rude shock.
We will gladly end the supply of kashrut rather than allow these shenanigans to continue in the name of kashrut. Got it?
So why not just clean up your act?
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The comments are too funny. Many of the commenters obviously think that breeding alone is an achievement and will result in continuity, thus prove itself the right way; in that line of reasoning, the alley cat I adopted had likely had 60 kittens by the time she moved in with me and I had her spayed. She should serve as a role model to the entire Jewish community. Hail to Mini!
Sarah/froylein–I do agree that just reproducing is not much of an accomplishment, and I have met too many families which have outstretched their financial and emotional resources. You breed ‘em, you feed ‘em, I’d say, and you take RESPONSIBILITY. That is the achievement. Will that ensure “continuity”? Depends on both generations, doesn’t it.
Having grown up in the South, the whole Rubashov thing reminds me too much of “Sixteen Tons” (”…And what do you get/Another day older and deeper in debt…”). Better to avoid meat.
the alley cat I adopted had likely had 60 kittens by the time she moved in with me and I had her spayed.
Funny! Did the cat also have yichus?
Chabadniks are notoriously thin-skinned when it comes to criticism.
You’ve noticed it, too?
I like how you’ve been handling yourself in these Shmarya threads. Why do they always call themselves “Anonymous”? You know DK, I may start a blog just so I can block everyone who is too fucking lazy to come up with a pseudonym.
Breeding alone will ultimately be no more redeeming than it has been for the Muslims. The heart desires beliefs of choice, faith, and Orthodoxies ultimately deny that. In fact, they destroy faith because they drag G-d down from a belief posited to a fact to be proven or disproven.
Born again Christianity is such a draw because people have such a hazy idea of what’s in the bible and instead go with feeling and faith. Born again Judaism would be more interested in doing right than being right, more interested in ethics, morals, feeling like one was doing the right thing than merely being satisfied with rabbi so-and-so says it’s in the Torah.
People want not just the hollow empty justifications that come at the outset. For a system to last, there has to be a spirit feeling of it being right and good. It has to be felt. Orthodoxies destroy that feeling.
Heh, Jeff, three days after her moving into my cellar she gave birth to four kittens, who I chose to keep. Her relationship with the (likely, as we mused) father is not the best, one of the kittens is physically retarded (at 1.5 years still the size at a half-year-old) but loves spicy foods, preferably anything with chilli peppers, curry or just plain jalapenos to snack on, one’s a bit slow in the brains department, one is smart but pudgy, the fourth one’s an absolutely unsuspecting pacifist. Draw your own parallels if need be.
But indeed, parenting requires more than just placing children on this planet. I’ve got quite a few Chasidishe friends as DK knows, and in most cases parental education has failed greatly - due to time restriction, parents’ own immaturity / helplessness / indifference or the simple assumption children will somewhat educate themselves growing up in a frum community. There are exceptions though, and I do hope to introduce someone who’s turned out to be a common friend of mohammed’s and mine to DK soon. My family’s pretty large on both sides, but what I perceive the greatest bug in education is the coldness and indifference towards children common on my father’s side.
I’ve got quite a few Chasidishe friends as DK knows, and in most cases parental education has failed greatly - due to time restriction, parents’ own immaturity / helplessness / indifference or the simple assumption children will somewhat educate themselves growing up in a frum community.
I’ve always suspected as much. My Chabadnik nephew, about whom I’m always complaining, loves to tell me how much happier and better-adjusted frum families are. When I tell him they suffer from domestic problems as frequently as secular families do, he refuses to believe it.
Of course, it’s impossible for a child growing up as one of ten or twelve to receive the necessary attention. I think this explains, at least in part, their poor social skills and rather reserved attitude toward children (I’ve noticed it as well, but my contact with them has been limited). It’s also completely irresponsible in terms of the impact on planetary resources.
I’ve been saying for decades that people should required to have a license to reproduce. I’m more convinced of it now than ever.
should *be* required
Actually, Jeff there is a good argument that large families are less damaging to planetary resources than small ones. Fuller use can be made of the initial outlay, so per capita, the large family may be more fuel efficient.
Large family as status symbol though, that’s the population equivalent of the SUV. And I know lots of families who have more children than they can responsibly care for because haredi society perceives the large family as “better”.
As far as a license to reproduce, who would decide? That’s all we need, more government regulation. I like the free-market approach–like not bringing back the child allowances (kitzbot yeladim) here in Israel. Having kids you cannot support and then crying to the government to fix things reminds me of the scene in “Blazing Saddles” where Cleavol Little puts a gun to his own head and shouts “Don’t move or the ******* gets it!”
Take responsibility and encourage that as the societal norm. And get a job. (”Sha-na-na-na, Sha-na-na-na-na…”)
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