EV, please stop!
November 25, 2008 Chabad
Self-pollution can lead to homosexuality! Another brilliant insight from a Chabadnik Breslover.
And by the way, Breslov guy, the word you choked on and spit out without swallowing is “inundated.” Yes, inundated. That’s a mighty big one for you English-as-a-second-language-chassidim to masticate over, huh, boy? Nice try, though!
Hat tip: Jeff Eyges via Atheist Jew
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I can’t stop masturbating to this video.
You shouldn’t tip your hat to me, DK; in fact, you shouldn’t remove your hat at all – it leads to male pattern baldness!
I think he means well, but, you know – Chabad…
That is the prettiest Chabadnik I have ever seen. Is anyone else having trouble controlling themselves after gazing upon those blue eyes coupled with that sheepish smile? The only cuter guy in Jewish media is David Kelsey.
In a totally unrelated point: Halakhically, women can she-bop all they please.
Interesting. I’ll agree with Lori, he’s handsome. But my gaydar’s beeping, too. (Satin decorative cushion[!!!; cf. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFuTL4GMD2o, roses on the bedspread,…)
Furthermore, the slight tilting of his head to the right and the gesture he uses suggest he doesn’t believe what he’s saying.
Uhm, DK, could you fish my comment out of your spam folder, please?
I do not know about the beneficial or harmful effects of mastication however studies do show that castration increases a man’s life expectancy by eight years.
Other advantages include not suffering from acne and male pattern baldness which improves your pick up chances.
I just find it ironic that he’s giving this shmuss sitting in front of a bed with lotions in the far background….it’s actually a bit of a turn on.
Those aren’t just lotions. I think the one on the right is a vibrator. According to halachah, men using vibrators is kosher and safely un-gay, b/c there’s little-to-no risk of touching your own penis when you’re using it (depending on technique, etc.).
Okayyyyy…
Er…
Yeah, whatever…
I think I’ll choose to believe those are hair treatments and aftershave in the extra large bulk buy packages.
david,
i think in chabad – english is their language after hebrew and yiddish.
The centre bottle is brandy, the black thingy could be lube.
According to other Chasidim, Chabadniks don’t speak a good Yiddish. Maybe he’s just got an acquired accent. Maybe he’d like to try a French one. Oh la la!
According to other Chasidim, Chabadniks don’t speak a good Yiddish.
Actually, Chabadnik nephew told me the same thing recently. It’s the only time he’s ever said anything even remotely negative about Chabad. He used to have an interest in linguistics, and it’s bothering him. I think he told me they could stand to be better educated in English, as well.
Of course, as far as other subjects are concerned – science, history, math beyond basic arithmetic – there’s no point in wasting time on those. You can learn them yourself on the side if you want to – but why would you want to?
This poor guy. Much as some people might disagree with his message, doesn’t he get points for being earnest? I mean, I’ve turned him into a sex object, Froylein a homosexual, and EV into something only aficionados of porn could distinguish. Can’t a guy just get on YouTube and give a serious lecture about masturbation without our immature antics?
HalfSours, I think we should try to contact him and arrange a meeting between him, you, EV, and me next time I’m in town. I promise I won’t turn him into a homosexual wank poster boy.
BS”D – just as a factual note – while I was brought closer by Chabad, I now consider myself an adherent of Reb Nachman of Breslov.
I don’t want Chabad to suffer negative attraction because of me. Reb Nachman can handle it, though.
But that’s the reason for this videoe, anyway.
Although the Alter Rebbe says clearly that wasteful emission of semen is worse than the forbidden relations mentioned in the Torah (because it has no female element as a vessel), in Lubavitch today, I found there wasn’t much talk about this.
Breslover’s aren’t shy, though.
And yeah, English is my second language. Didn’t realize that was a sin. But, I’m working on it.
Thanks for the feedback and may G-d Almighty bless you all in everything that you do.
Awwww, Ronen, di bist azoi zis.
BS”D I would say thanks but I have no Yiddish skills. I think zis means sweet as I call my children ziskite. But anyway. Thanks for correcting this and sorry if you all could have done without watching that.
But I think the Alter Rebbe is happy somewhere. He writes in chapter 7 of Tanya that this is even worse (spiritually) than the forbidden relations mentioned in Tanach because there is no female element to absorb the drops. So he actually seems to be saying that incense is somehow not as bad. Some of the scariest words I ever read…
Doesn’t make it easier to overcome, but still. Something to think about.
May G-d Almighty bless you all in everything that you do.
Ronen, the Alter Rebbe said a lot of things. I think you mean well – but just because a rabbi (or even a bunch of them) says something, that doesn’t make it true.
Icense or incest?
oops, incest is what I meant.
Um, I can see what you’re saying about the Alter Rebbe saying a lot of things. There are 53 chapters in Tanya – and 4 other sections.
I don’t know – for me I just got to a point in secular education and wisdom where I found myself wanting to learn only from masters, as it were.
Around then, I met the shaliach on campus and he started teaching me what Jewish masters had said.
I also grew up being taught that masturbation was good against prostate cancer and as a good sexual release.
But, I don’t know. Does it really help you get emotions out? It seems to me more often than not I am left feeling more lonely and generally saddened by the whole experience.
Either way, sorry again for this video. I just realized the title of this thread is probably a request for me not to make videos of this nature anymore.
And I won’t. I see your point.
May you all be blessed to find true happiness in life.
Ronen,
Please don’t feel compelled to stop doing anything on account of any of us commenters. Your voice should be exercised at your discretion. Regardless of my belief in the Torah, I’m not in any place to tell a man what to do with his body because I’m not Hashem. I’m not even a man.
Your video was earnest, to the point, and intelligible. There are far worse things floating around the internet, and just because immature people fall into fits of laughter or scandal at anything that might be turned into a peepee joke, doesn’t mean you should censor yourself.
On a different note, this; “So he actually seems to be saying that incense is somehow not as bad. Some of the scariest words I ever read…” greatly disturbs me. Incest simply can’t be better than wacking it. It simple can’t. That is a very dangerous thing to pass around as religious doctrine. How does Chabad explain this statement?
Halfsours,
I’m not sure there is an official today that is able to defend in one way or another what the Alter Rebbe writes. In Lubavtich, it is pretty much taken at face value. Here is the text from http://www.chabad.org
(middle of chapter 7)
“…Therefore the sin of wasteful emission of semen is not mentioned in the Torah among the list of forbidden coitions, even though in one respect it is more heinous than they, and [the individual’s] sin is greater with regard to the enormity and abundance of the impurity and of the kelipot; he begets and multiplies them to an exceedingly great extent through wasteful emission of semen, even more so than through forbidden coitions…”
Although it sounds like his concern is more of a kabbahlistic one, the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch (which was my intro in halacha – and many others) states outright that this is the most serious transgression in the Torah! There is footnote claiming this is an exaggeration, but the text stands as is.
In Chabad circles today from what I found, they don’t make a big deal out of this at all. In fact, when speaking candidly with some “frum guys,” it seems they’re not disturbed if they can keep the habit down to once or twice a week.
But Breslover’s seem to take it a little more seriously.
Eh, to each their own, I guess. The point of my video was to simply suggest although you do get 4-5 seconds of pleasure, usually what follows is this feeling of emptiness.
As a man, this to me is the chet pri etz da’as. It’s the ultimate acknowledgment that there is a Creator, He is granting you and your body and yet the one thing that you really want to do, He forbids.
It’s really quite a mind trip, if you ask me. It’s for this reason men rarely get upset at Adam and Chava – we also have one little thing we’re not supposed to do – but hey, am I a tzadik?
May G-d Almighty bless you in all that you do.
Although it sounds like his concern is more of a kabbahlistic one, the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch (which was my intro in halacha – and many others) states outright that this is the most serious transgression in the Torah! There is footnote claiming this is an exaggeration, but the text stands as is.
Ronen, honestly- this says a lot more about them than it does about God.
It’s the ultimate acknowledgment that there is a Creator, He is granting you and your body and yet the one thing that you really want to do, He forbids.
As though life wasn’t difficult enough, already. I really don’t see how this is the “ultimate acknowledgment” of a Creator. It strikes me as being convincing evidence that most of this is made up.
In any case, He certainly isn’t a being on whom I would want to lavish any devotion.
Although it sounds like his concern is more of a kabbahlistic one, the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch (which was my intro in halacha – and many others) states outright that this is the most serious transgression in the Torah!
Ronen, this makes no sense halachically. No one is put to death by a bais din for masturbating, even if caught and warned by two witnesses. This makes no sense. There are clearly far more serious sexual sins in the Torah. It has to fit the text in terms of punishment. And what you are claiming makes no sense. It doesn’t fit pshat
Therefore the sin of wasteful emission of semen is not mentioned in the Torah among the list of forbidden coitions, even though in one respect it
In one respect? Ronen, you can prove that in one or two respects carrying on Shabbos is worse than murder. But overall, murder is worse. You have to pay attention to the explicit disclaimer.
“In one respect” means that the author is about to exaggerate the hell out of something in order to stress its importance.
Jewish liturgy is full of such things. All of the “is like” — that really means it isn’t like at all. It’s hyperbole.
You have to read it like that, or nothing makes sense even within the paradigm of traditional or even haredi Judaism.
The Rugachver was asked why he didn’t make a point go to more Pidyon Habens (the celebratory party for a first-born male).
After all, it says in the Talmud that going to a pidyon Haben IS LIKE fasting for 30 days. And fasting for 30 days is a good way to atone for sins!
The Rugachaver responded these “like” 30 day fasts only helped with sins which were also “like” the big ones.
Farshtais?
“4-5 seconds of pleasure”
No. You’re doing it wrong.
DK – I didn’t write the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch – someone much greater than me did. Ganzfield, I believe. And he based pretty much everything off the the Rama or Beis Yosef (although he cites the Alter Rebbe at times)
Here is the exact quote:
סעיף א
אסור להוציא זרע לבטלה. ועון זה חמור מכל עברות שבתורה
Loose translation: The prohibition against wasteful emission of semen. And this transgression is more serious than all the transgressions in the Torah.
Now his book was an attempt to give us halacha le’maseh. And I think he does an excellent job. When he was writing it, he got a lot of mussar saying it might discourage people from learning the original text, but it doesn’t seem that happened.
Anyway, it’s not really about the punishment here. It’s more about the simple fact that this is the number one thing men desire to do with their bodies and this is what Hashem wants us not to do.
Remember, in the Torah, someone is put to a premature death because of this (Onen, I believe. Some guy had a really beautiful wife and he didn’t want to disfigure her beauty via pregnancy. So he would withdraw and spill his seed. Hashem kills him for this. That’s pretty serious, right?).
I try not to make such a big deal out of this because most people have a hard enough time dealing with loshon hora and senseless love of all Jews and all of G-d’s creation in general. But to say this doesn’t have its sources is a little off, in my opinion.
And to Jeff – this is one of my best friend’s complaints – both that his life is too difficult anyway and that Hashem doesn’t really deserve praise.
On the first point, I agree. On the second, because I choose to define Hashem as He who creates all, He is the only entity worth praising at all as all other entities owe their existence to Him alone.
EV – even if you could make the orgasm last say 10 seconds, which I would say would be a scientific first, how would this change the Torah’s harsh words?
Hey look, I just realized what type of site this is and I’m sorry for responding in such depth (not that I said a lot, but I’m guessing most people feel this thread probably shouldn’t have been here in the first place and at this point has taken too much space).
But, I do like the sense of humor found here.
May G-d Almighty bless each and everyone of you in all that you do.
It’s not all about the orgasm. That’s my point.
Ask David — he’ll teach you how to masturbate.
He taught me.
Ronen, God didn’t kill Onan for “spilling seed”, but for disobeying the command to procreate with his brother’s widow. “Spilling seed” was just the way he went about avoiding it. And it wasn’t because he didn’t want to spoil her appearance:
Then Judah said to Onan, “Lie with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so he put him to death also.
The explanation you were given is something the rabbis just made up.
Look, if it gives you a sense of meaning and purpose to invest these men with that kind of authority over your life, that’s your business. Most Jews will never agree with you – not because we’re stumbling about blindly in the dark, but simply because we think they’re wrong.
EV – thanks, but I’ll pass on the offer of help in what I view is the most detrimental thing to the human body. And I know about the wondrous effects it may have fighting prostrate cancer.
I’ll stick to my timid or what I believe to be G-d fearing ways.
Jeff – It could be all the rabbis are wrong. It could be the Torah was made by man. But I’m betting the other way in life.
Thank you for this interesting dialogue and again much success and blessing in all your future endeavors.
Hey, DK – is this the tumescent fundamentalism you keep going on about?
One day, I’ll publish a list of rabbis that jerk off.
Jeff – It could be all the rabbis are wrong.
Or it could even be that just the Breslov interpretation of this issue — well-known in the ultra-Orthodox Jewish world to be the most radical — is wrong.
Right, Ronen?
One day, I’ll publish a list of rabbis that jerk off.
How would you go about compiling such a list?
Jeff, the list is compiled.
RIP Ronen… He was a good man.
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