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	<title>Comments on: We&#8217;re all haredim now</title>
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		<title>By: chutzpah</title>
		<link>http://kvetcher.net/2008/11/1957/were-all-haredim-now/comment-page-1/#comment-8596</link>
		<dc:creator>chutzpah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is very little distinction between &quot; &quot;kiruv&quot;  and the &quot;outreach&quot; work of other religious groups.  Both involve trying to increase their numbers and finances through education.  However, many christian missionary groups go into impoverished areas to bring the residents aid in the form of food and medical care, whereas  Chabad goes into affluent areas
like the Hamptons, Wall Street,  and Tenafly, so that their &quot;newly educated&quot; jewish friends can finance their lifestyle and contribute to their organization.

The internal riffs they cause in Jewish families after convincing a person in a slow and  patient manner  to &quot;do tshuva&quot; are the same as  those caused by any other religious group that preaches  repentance to their own or outsiders.

 They should be allowed to set up their  Missions, oh excuse me, &quot;Jewish Centers&quot; or &quot;Chabad Houses&quot;, where ever they want, but others have the right to find it undesirable and unsafe to be around in a world filled with hatred and terror against Jews. Of course impeding the terrorists is vital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is very little distinction between &#8221; &#8220;kiruv&#8221;  and the &#8220;outreach&#8221; work of other religious groups.  Both involve trying to increase their numbers and finances through education.  However, many christian missionary groups go into impoverished areas to bring the residents aid in the form of food and medical care, whereas  Chabad goes into affluent areas<br />
like the Hamptons, Wall Street,  and Tenafly, so that their &#8220;newly educated&#8221; jewish friends can finance their lifestyle and contribute to their organization.</p>
<p>The internal riffs they cause in Jewish families after convincing a person in a slow and  patient manner  to &#8220;do tshuva&#8221; are the same as  those caused by any other religious group that preaches  repentance to their own or outsiders.</p>
<p> They should be allowed to set up their  Missions, oh excuse me, &#8220;Jewish Centers&#8221; or &#8220;Chabad Houses&#8221;, where ever they want, but others have the right to find it undesirable and unsafe to be around in a world filled with hatred and terror against Jews. Of course impeding the terrorists is vital.</p>
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		<title>By: Sholomo</title>
		<link>http://kvetcher.net/2008/11/1957/were-all-haredim-now/comment-page-1/#comment-8594</link>
		<dc:creator>Sholomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They dont try and get people who arent jewish to convert.  They only &quot;preach&quot; to people who are already jews.  THAT is the difference</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They dont try and get people who arent jewish to convert.  They only &#8220;preach&#8221; to people who are already jews.  THAT is the difference</p>
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		<title>By: HalfSours</title>
		<link>http://kvetcher.net/2008/11/1957/were-all-haredim-now/comment-page-1/#comment-8593</link>
		<dc:creator>HalfSours</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sophomoric*

Just as an aside:

I just spoke to my sister about the author you referred to. Her reading of &quot;Dead Man&#039;s Path&quot; by the same author, is that tradition and modernity are best managed through coexistence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sophomoric*</p>
<p>Just as an aside:</p>
<p>I just spoke to my sister about the author you referred to. Her reading of &#8220;Dead Man&#8217;s Path&#8221; by the same author, is that tradition and modernity are best managed through coexistence.</p>
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		<title>By: HalfSours</title>
		<link>http://kvetcher.net/2008/11/1957/were-all-haredim-now/comment-page-1/#comment-8588</link>
		<dc:creator>HalfSours</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sincerely sorry for your personal problems. In addressing your points:

&quot;Maybe you can explain the difference to me.&quot;

Um, I haven&#039;t read the book so I can&#039;t. In any case, it&#039;s irrelevant. Whatever sophomoric conclusions you may draw from a compelling piece of literature need have a practical application for the purposes of this discussion. The practical applications of what you are suggesting -- I think -- are that Chabad shouldn&#039;t be able to practice their religion anywhere that there are other people, lest they put them at risk. Well that&#039;s just silly. Why stop at Chabadniks? Why not members of any religion, since every religion in the world has had violent opposing factions at one point or another? Why not tell Westerners not to travel in certain areas, lest natives get hurt in their path.

The answer has to be to impeding the evil-doers (I&#039;m taking back the phrase!), not the innocents. How we do that can be a constructive, and ongoing dialogue; what you are suggesting can not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sincerely sorry for your personal problems. In addressing your points:</p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe you can explain the difference to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, I haven&#8217;t read the book so I can&#8217;t. In any case, it&#8217;s irrelevant. Whatever sophomoric conclusions you may draw from a compelling piece of literature need have a practical application for the purposes of this discussion. The practical applications of what you are suggesting &#8212; I think &#8212; are that Chabad shouldn&#8217;t be able to practice their religion anywhere that there are other people, lest they put them at risk. Well that&#8217;s just silly. Why stop at Chabadniks? Why not members of any religion, since every religion in the world has had violent opposing factions at one point or another? Why not tell Westerners not to travel in certain areas, lest natives get hurt in their path.</p>
<p>The answer has to be to impeding the evil-doers (I&#8217;m taking back the phrase!), not the innocents. How we do that can be a constructive, and ongoing dialogue; what you are suggesting can not.</p>
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		<title>By: chutzpah</title>
		<link>http://kvetcher.net/2008/11/1957/were-all-haredim-now/comment-page-1/#comment-8587</link>
		<dc:creator>chutzpah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah well, that&#039;s why they call me &quot;Chutzpah&quot;.  You try to Get a get during your last child-bearing years  and see if you&#039;re not callous afterwards.  

I would go further and argue that the presence of the  Chabadniks  in the financial center  of Mumbai resulted in the death of secular and non-Jewish people, but even I think that&#039;s pushing it.   They have minyan in Jersey City Financial Center which I have complained about as  creating an unsafe terrorist attraction.

I just finished reading &quot;Things Fall Apart&quot; by Chinua Achebe and I can&#039;t distinguish between the Chabadniks and Mr. Brown, the benevolent  Christian missionary whose presence in the  protagonist&#039;s tribe in Nigeria eventually caused it&#039;s destruction.

Maybe you can explain the difference to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah well, that&#8217;s why they call me &#8220;Chutzpah&#8221;.  You try to Get a get during your last child-bearing years  and see if you&#8217;re not callous afterwards.  </p>
<p>I would go further and argue that the presence of the  Chabadniks  in the financial center  of Mumbai resulted in the death of secular and non-Jewish people, but even I think that&#8217;s pushing it.   They have minyan in Jersey City Financial Center which I have complained about as  creating an unsafe terrorist attraction.</p>
<p>I just finished reading &#8220;Things Fall Apart&#8221; by Chinua Achebe and I can&#8217;t distinguish between the Chabadniks and Mr. Brown, the benevolent  Christian missionary whose presence in the  protagonist&#8217;s tribe in Nigeria eventually caused it&#8217;s destruction.</p>
<p>Maybe you can explain the difference to me.</p>
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		<title>By: HalfSours</title>
		<link>http://kvetcher.net/2008/11/1957/were-all-haredim-now/comment-page-1/#comment-8570</link>
		<dc:creator>HalfSours</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Missionaries of any religion know they are at risk of harm when they choose to go out and prostelyze. Is that heroic?&quot;

That&#039;s pretty callous, chutzpah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Missionaries of any religion know they are at risk of harm when they choose to go out and prostelyze. Is that heroic?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty callous, chutzpah.</p>
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		<title>By: chutzpah</title>
		<link>http://kvetcher.net/2008/11/1957/were-all-haredim-now/comment-page-1/#comment-8560</link>
		<dc:creator>chutzpah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Count me out of the solidarity for a day as well. 

&quot;Better gay than haredi&quot; I always say.

There are so many non-reported cases of &quot;shaken baby syndrome &quot; and &quot;sudden infant death&quot; that go uninvestigated because of their public  protests against autopsies, that they might as well just put out garbage cans for their infant&#039;s bodies to be dropped in.  They are going to be pregnant again in a few months anyway.

Missionaries of  any religion know they are at risk of harm when they choose to go out and prostelyze.  Is that heroic?  How you  answer that question depends on whether or not you agree with the brand of religion they are preaching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Count me out of the solidarity for a day as well. </p>
<p>&#8220;Better gay than haredi&#8221; I always say.</p>
<p>There are so many non-reported cases of &#8220;shaken baby syndrome &#8221; and &#8220;sudden infant death&#8221; that go uninvestigated because of their public  protests against autopsies, that they might as well just put out garbage cans for their infant&#8217;s bodies to be dropped in.  They are going to be pregnant again in a few months anyway.</p>
<p>Missionaries of  any religion know they are at risk of harm when they choose to go out and prostelyze.  Is that heroic?  How you  answer that question depends on whether or not you agree with the brand of religion they are preaching.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Eyges</title>
		<link>http://kvetcher.net/2008/11/1957/were-all-haredim-now/comment-page-1/#comment-8559</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Eyges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We’re headed nowhere good.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We’re headed nowhere good.</i></p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Eyges</title>
		<link>http://kvetcher.net/2008/11/1957/were-all-haredim-now/comment-page-1/#comment-8558</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Eyges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I agree with suitepotato about our species, although I&#039;m less than hopeful about our prospects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I agree with suitepotato about our species, although I&#8217;m less than hopeful about our prospects.</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;if we don’t do something soon as a species to get a bandage and tourniquet on the hemorrhaging hate spilling out of us as a species, we’re headed nowhere good.&lt;/i&gt;

We&#039;re headed nowhere good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>if we don’t do something soon as a species to get a bandage and tourniquet on the hemorrhaging hate spilling out of us as a species, we’re headed nowhere good.</i></p>
<p>We&#8217;re headed nowhere good.</p>
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