NCSY will continue to suffer from the Lanner years as long as they do not change their behavior from the Lanner years. Attempting to whitewash their own history and pretend it was the work of one man, deleting references on Wikipedia, awarding enablers, are all behaviors all too similar to why this problem festered in the first place.

Essentially, the OU and NCSY need to see this beyond abuse itself, but of a culture of denial and wrong priorities.

Isn’t a hypocrat that animal that Harry Potter was flying around on?

To the extent that those have hareidi influences, kollel has hareidi influences and public school kids who go on it will be exposed to hareidi institutions and ideologies, just like participants from modern orthodox families.

But they aren’t the same. Aish and OS dominate that world. And less liberal and secular Jewish parents would be as tolerant ultra-Orthodox ideology than MO parents.

As for the name, if I were ever to rise to the level where I had that sort of decision making power (unlikely!), I guess I would change the name to make you feel better. Still don’t think its a big deal though.

Look at it in context. Haredization; Tropp and Stolper Award.

Granny wrote,

U make snarky comments like naming the award rather than answering sour and rick.

Rick and I are having a very nice discussion, Granny. Your and my discussion is probably not going to be as nice. As for sour, she is Halfsours. Only half.

Also, u say people should be judged based on the morality of the time? Then why do you hate the people at the time of the Gemara who were for sure ahead of their time in morality inmany ways? Or al least judge their stories for the knowledge of the time!

I don’t hate the people of the Gemara, Granny. They were ahead of there time in many ways. The problem is those people TODAY who think they are ahead of every time in every way. Think about it, and feel free to write, “Oh…that makes a lot of sense, actually.” Alternatively, feel free to stick with the ol’ “YOU JUST HATE FRUM PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU COULDN’T HACK IT WHEN YOU WERE FRUM!!!!!”

I can’t guarantee that they are getting exposed exclusively to MO learning. But they are getting exposed to the same learning that MO kids get when they go to Israel for the year. The rebbeim all spend their years teaching in those yeshivas, my impression is that pretty much each shana alef yeshiva has at least one Ram on Kollel’s staff (makes a lot of sense for recruiting). Additionally, Rav Schachter and Rav Twersky from YU spend part of their summers there.

Basically, Kollel is an incubator/recruiting ground for the Shana Alef yeshivas and the YU beis medresh. To the extent that those have hareidi influences, kollel has hareidi influences and public school kids who go on it will be exposed to hareidi institutions and ideologies, just like participants from modern orthodox families. That being said, I still think its pretty clear that going on Kollel highly decreases the chances of public school kids getting mixed up with Aish and Ohr.

As for the name, if I were ever to rise to the level where I had that sort of decision making power (unlikely!), I guess I would change the name to make you feel better. Still don’t think its a big deal though.

That wasn’t the topic of this post, and that wasn’t what we were talking about.