Ian Jobling’s New Site, White America
January 21, 2009 Race Ian Jobling
Ian Jobling, who broke from AMREN because of their continued relationship with white supremacist allies, has relaunched his site, called White America.
Jobling remains the consummate professor in so many ways, a man who delights in grappling with the challenges raised by his readers (provided they are not trolls), and while I will probably often continue to disagree with him on many topics, I consider him an important voice of intellectual resistance against racial discrimination of whites. To be clear, affirmative action and an overriding emphasis on the importance of “diversity” is often translated into legislated racial discrimination, as are Hate Crimes. When a group is discriminated against, that group needs articulate, brave voices willing to challenge the status quo, and such voices are never popular. Not at first, and not until they are willing to define their group, and demand their grievances be acknowledged and addressed. The reality is, true “equal opportunists,” if you will, who seek to repeal legislated discrimination against anyone–will not get what we want until white Christians find the audacity to demand fairness for white Christians. For it is whites who are today discriminated against, and suffer from institutionalized racism.
Jobling is such a voice, and finding his footing and positioning while having been concurrently attacked by those to his Left and Right has not always been a pleasant or comfortable task. I do not envy his position.
But it will take men like Jobling to stand up and rally their constituency, thus paving the way for others to move in and echo their reasonable and equitable demands.
23 comments
Dude, I feel like I just read this somewhere…
I’m so happy to see this announcement here. One thing that concerns me is how in denial most Jews are with respect to how affirmative action hurts Jews and other white people. It occurred to me to ask Ian Jobling to open a topic on how race-realist Jews can do outreach to liberal Jews, then I realized, a topic like that always invites the most vile comments. If you ever have any ideas about how to get around this, please share.
One thing that concerns me is how in denial most Jews are with respect to how affirmative action hurts Jews and other white people.
latte island, you’re actually wrong on this. Affirmative action is the one social-left program that most Jews actually reject.
Look: http://www.discriminations.us/.....l_but.html
Don’t be fooled by Jews on the social-left who ever-so-sensitively claim to speak for us, nor by the far-left’s vicious exhortations, nor by the far-right white sites. They do not speak the truth of where we stand.
54% of Jews oppose affirmative action. I am in-line with the mainstream Jewish community on this.
…2 questions, actually, for you and the commenters: how can you have an unmoderated discussion on Jews and race (maybe impossible?) and how do you talk to liberal Jews about race, in a way they can respond to? My own experience is, that’s how to lose friends. So I never talk about race in real life, unless it’s with someone who I already know agrees with me. On the internet, it’s somewhat possible, but even on a very nice site like Gates of Vienna, for instance, you get some nasty people showing up.
how can you have an unmoderated discussion on Jews and race (maybe impossible?) and how do you talk to liberal Jews about race, in a way they can respond to?
Well…I don’t have the answers, but I would tell you this.
First of all, why completely unmoderated? if you have an unwelcome troll who spews the nasty stuff, ban him.
As for Liberal Jews you want to influence is tougher. I think that focusing on race is possibly not a good place to focus. Better to focus on policies, and if race is brought up, allow for the possibilities of differences. Why insist on them?
When someone resorts to calling you names, though, don’t engage them. That is never worth your time.
In the end, there is a Yiddish expression, “No one ever died from a question.” I try to point out that the terrible histories that occurred in the past (slavery, Holocaust, etc.) did not occur because the questions were illegitimate, but rather, because the answers were. There is a difference, and it is one we should be aware of, and something we should simply point out.
DK, cool, I thought the affirmative action thing was a lot worse. The reason liberal Jews are important to reach is, they’re alienating our non-Jewish allies on the racial right, who aren’t necessarily antisemitic but can be pushed that way if liberal Jews keep imposing the liberal party line on everyone else. I’m in the middle of it, so I see what’s happening and I sympathize with the decent and even not so decent non-Jews who say things like, why do I have to pay taxes to support Israel, blah blah. I myself am so instinctively Zionist, that I never even thought about that, until reasonable people brought it to my attention. They say, you want your own ethnostate but we have to be color blind in our own country. Well, I can only tell them, I agree, but I don’t know how to make the case to other Jews.
I can’t focus on policies without coming back to race. One of the major issues is immigration, who do we allow in. That’s totally about race, and my impression is it’s taboo among liberal Jews…but if we don’t discuss it among ourselves, our non-Jewish allies will point to our double standard in having Israel as an ethnostate but not allowing that to others. A lot of Jews say being Jewish is only about religion, so there’s no double standard, anyone can convert and be Jewish and live in Israel, but that’s not what it’s about in reality. The reality is that Ashkenazi Jews are a tribe and automatically assume Israel is open to them, regardless of religious belief. That’s my position, and I think the assumption of most non-religious Zionists.
Since non-Jewish race realists don’t have any investment in maintaining our illusions, they call us on our double standard regarding race and immigration, and I have to side with them, because I think we do have a double standard that needs to be changed.
I’m sure you read that wonderful statement by the BNP that was so supportive of Israel…and Nick Griffin used to be a holocaust denier, now most of those people are allies. We won’t keep that unless we meet them halfway and tell them, yes, you Brits have the right to keep a white majority. Otherwise we’re hypocrites and we’ll lose their support. That’s why I need to talk to liberal Jews about race. [I sincerely apologize if my remarks offend anyone on this board, but I believe we have to face these things.]
In a world where every other group organizes along racial lines, it’s logical for whites to do the same to protect their rights. I have nothing against that and I’m against affirmative action and reverse discrimination. But is that the ideal? Or is the ideal a colorblind society? With things the way they are, discrimination made race a way to group people and reverse discrimination perpetuates that. But can you give me any logical reason to judge people based on the color of their skin? Why is race a meaningful way to group people? Even granting, for the sake of the argument, all the IQ studies you bring that say there’s a different bell curve. We all know people who are twenty IQ points below us who are nice, normal and easy to get along with. You would have to bring studies showing other racial characteristics to make any kind of point. I like American culture and see no reason to pander to diversity. But I see “diversity” as rejecting American culture and trying to import other cultures in toto. American culture is not a straghtjacket and every group that came here adapted to it, while keeping their own unique flavor, from whatever culture they had before. Just walk through any Irish, Italian, Polish or Jewish neighborhood to see that. Is there any reason to believe that Blacks or Asians can’t do the same thing? There are more than enough of both who have adapted and are part of mainstream America. In what way is this site not White Supremacist? Even the NAACP never said America is exclusively for Blacks.
“By racial consciousness, I mean the instinctive understanding among American whites that their country has a distinctive and precious heritage, that this heritage is rooted in the nature of the white race, and that only white people can be true Americans.”
http://whiteamerica.us/index.p....._election/
Mohammad wrote: But is that the ideal? Or is the ideal a colorblind society?
Until the past 10 years or so ago, I agreed with you. Diversity was no big deal to me. It was fun to live in NYC as an adult and be part of the whole world, instead of the narrow all-white suburban town I came from. But now, in California, everything’s being overwhelmed. So I never had a philosophy of racial purity or anything like that…it’s more like, things are out of control, now we have to push back or our culture (white, European, etc. which includes Jews in my opinion) will be swamped.
The problem is that our own governments don’t like us and want to replace us with people from the third world. People blame Jews for this, but they are conspiracy nuts. It doesn’t help that liberal Jews are visibly overrepresented among those elites.
But anyway, sure, in a perfect world, color wouldn’t matter. It really didn’t used to matter to me, until this “diversity” business started to be mandatory instead of voluntary.
It’s possible that the melting pot I always believed in was mostly a myth, anyway. East Coast liberal Jews, (me in my youth) were brought up to believe that, but maybe the heartland Americans didn’t think so, and those people’s ancestors founded this country and we should respect that.
I think it’s that lack of respect, thinking our melting pot philosophy is the right way and they’re wrong, is one of the root causes of anti-semitism. What I’m seeing from race realist websites, and believe me, most of these people are allies or at least neutral, is that people are making mildly anti-semitic statements out of frustration with our Jewish refusal to listen to them. They’re tired of being called white supremacists, when they only want to be left alone to do their own culture, which may involve skin color, but that’s their right, we are supposed to have freedom of association in this country.
So, when I ask Jews to see things from this point of view, it’s not because I’m a racist, although I have become racist because of my horrible experiences in third world California…no, it’s really because I care about Jewish survival, and I see the liberal Jewish refusal to discuss race in an open-minded way as a major cause of anti-semitism among otherwise decent people.
mohammed, I don’t think Jobling means that seriously, though it certainly sounds pretty extreme. He is reacting to the “diversity is our greatest strength” nonsense, and it’s a 180 reaction to that on some level. Obviously, 180s are not the way to set reasonable policy, and I certainly reject that non-whites can’t be great Americans, just as I reject that the U.S. becoming a minority nation is necessarily good for the country.
Still, I wish he hadn’t said that.
“mohammed, I don’t think Jobling means that seriously”
I think you should take that at face value, rather than reading into it what you would like. At least ask him directly for clarification before imposing your own drash on it.
I already registered my complaint about this on his site. Let’s see what he says.
I don’t think our culture is European. We evolved into something uniquely American. Otherwise we would look like (failed)Europe.
I think we should promote American culture to immigrants instead of diversity bullshit. Ours worked and theirs didn’t, that’s why they’re coming here instead of the other way around. I also think immigrants of every culture can assimilate and become Americans. In NY you can see people from nearly every ethnic or racial group who are fairly standard Americans. The problem is defining American culture in racial terms, as White European instead of nationalistic terms. The obvious corollaries to that statement is that a: it’s unacchievable by other races and b: they should go to somewhere else where they are the majority culture since co existence is impossible. That’s basically calling to ship all the blacks to Liberia. (Does it still exist?) I’m not black so it doesn’t affect me personally. But if you think any call for deportation will end with blacks and not continue to other ethnic groups you’re making a mistake. Want to guess who will be number two on that list?
I don’t see that in his language, mohammed, but it doesn’t have to be that radical to be problematic.
Maybe you can get him to clarify then. Does he believe there is a place for blacks in America? Can other races assimilate into American culture? And would that be good or bad?
Does he want equality or exclusivity?
Here’s my answer to David Kelsey and mohammed:
http://whiteamerica.us/index.p.....portunist/
Ian
Your answer is not very clear. As a back to the constitutionalist, I don’t like the goverments hanging the anti discrimination laws in the commerce clause of the constitution. I believe, like Ron Paul, that people should be free to hire and associate with whomever they like. But I don’t think that’s what you’re talking about.
Can you clarify exactly what you mean? Are you talking about goverment legislated discrimination? And if so, what form would it take? Are you talking about affirmative action for whites or depriving black citizens of the rights they have now? And if that’s the case, which rights do you advocate depriving them of?
Well, legally I am certainly in favor of banning all anti-discrimination laws, permitting a return to racial segregation if people chose. Government policies, especially immigration policies, should promote the flourishing of white people. And a mild cultural nationalism that would define American history as white history would reign. For more, see my manifesto:
http://whiteamerica.us/index.p....._movement/
Well, I am in favor of banning all anti-discrimination laws, permitting a return to racial segregation if people chose. Government policies, especially immigration policies, should promote the flourishing of white people. I favor a mild cultural nationalism that defines American history as white history and American culture as white culture. For more, see my manifesto:
http://whiteamerica.us/index.p....._movement/
Ian
I read through that whole page before my first comment. I still don’t hear many specifics. Yes, people should have the freedom to associate with whomever they want.
Immigration preferences only affect non citizens. What would be your attitude to blacks and ORs who are already here and are American citizens?
Which goverment policies besides immigration should promote the flourishing of white people and how?
Didn’t 87 percent of Jews vote for Obama??? Didn’t most of his money come from Soros, Bronfman, Annenberg, Pritzker and other billionaire Jews.
Isn’t his chief of staff an Israeli citizen, member of the Israeli National Guard who would never associate with the White trash American military?
Is not the Jewish media abasing themselves by singing his highest praises?
Methinks this is an ADL, AJC, SPLC, ACLU front designed to discover Whites who know the truth about black on white crime, affirmative action, immigration etc and turn them over to the ADL and FBI for hate speech.
Who are the members of a typical 10 person “neo-nazi White supremicist group”? 3 ADL operatives, 3SPLC operatives, 2FBI agents, 1ATF agent and one White guy who lives in the local home for the developmentally disabled.
Jews declared war on the White goyim around 1920 with the triumph of Jewish communism in Russia.
Obama and the blacks, hispanics, feminists, and others are nothing more than Jewish fronts advocating genocide of the White goyim.
As long as Jews say, “I’m not White, I’m Jewish” they will continue to use the blacks, women, hispanics and liberals as cannon fodder in the Jewish genocide of Whites.
Ian, clean up your own house, (anti White racist Jews) before you bother the White goyim.
We’ve already got problems defending ourselves against black on white crime and trying to earn a living in the face of affirmative action.
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Isn’t Ian Jobling Jewish?
no.
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