White America Calls Me Out
January 22, 2009 Immigration, Race
How would you respond to the following?
Ian Jobling originally posted the following phrase, caught by mohammed.
“By racial consciousness, I mean the instinctive understanding among American whites that their country has a distinctive and precious heritage, that this heritage is rooted in the nature of the white race, and that only white people can be true Americans.”
I protested this statement as,
Too harsh, too sweeping, too radical.
Jobling retorted (see comments),
I’m going to post a more extensive answer to this later, but for now I’ll just ask you whether you think this statement also qualifies as “too harsh, too sweeping, too radical”:
>Israeli culture is rooted in the nature of the Jewish people and only Jews can be true Israelis.
How would you respond to this?
What I would say is,
True, Israel is to a large degree a racial and religious-based society. However, even in at least Israel proper, non-Jews are citizens in Israel. Additionally, Israel has never welcomed those without some Jewish connection to the country to become citizens, though they certainly have welcomed those with a most dubious Jewish connection. If they had done so, they would be responsible to give these citizens full-rights and cultural participation, and to some degree, in some ways, they fail to achieve that, and do not even desire that.
But I am personally not looking to Israel as the epitome of functionalism. And anyway, the U.S. is in a far different situation, and has many non-white people who are American. This is the reality. Now, if as a white Christian, you seek to protect your majority status, that is your right. But you are going further, insisting on a definition of Americanism that excludes large swaths of our citizenry.
How is that realistic? How are you a realist?
Let me ask you this: does Israel appear to have the social harmony that you seek for the U.S.? Do you want that sort of constant friction? Do you want irreconcilable narratives to become even more heated and acrimonious? Or do you want to retain your majority status, but also offer empowerment and enfranchisement to those already here who want to participate?
Update: Jobling responds.
6 comments
this heritage is rooted in the nature of the white race, and that only white people can be true Americans
I’ve never heard of Jobling, but this goes beyond questioning the morality of affirmative action; this is racism.
And I don’t think that “only Jews can be true Israelis” is a statement with which most secular Israelis would agree. Now, if he wants to poll Chabad…
Jobling’s idea isn’t any different from the patronage bigot liberals who insist that traditional American culture and western civilization in general can not apply to blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc. because their ancestors didn’t create the principles.
Which of course is hogwash as all being equally human the questions are, do the principles have meaning and does their observance foster a cohesive nation. The answer is yes. The MicMac part of me isn’t seeing any problem with self-reliance, individual freedom in concert with civil responsibility, good citizenship, conscientiousness of civics and society… They sound like good things and I’m damn sure had they considered them before whites showed up, they’d have put them into practice too whether or not they pursued a technological industrial society or not.
As I read through Jewish cultural thought, I’m often struck by how many similarities there are both with eastern transcendental philosophies AND Grec0-Roman western civ philosophies both.
And eastern values are not really dissimilar from western either. People like to point out the differences, not the similarities, strictly to bolster their grass is greener elsewhere ideas.
Jobling is in the same company with the people who concentrate on differences and believe you have to be born to a people genetically to have a chance of making those people’s ideas work for you. Horsehockey.
SP, without a doubt, Jobling cannot be Christian or Jewish if he holds views like those quoted above.
Indeed, the position that racists on the right have of others being inherently too different is exactly the same reason the left has for not understand the danger of Islamic Supremacism: a lack of ability to relate to others, a lack of honest relating to oneself.
If you know the deep down dirty truth about yourself, then you know the deep down dirty truth of all men. That monster you could be under the right circumstances, is the same monster some people already are.
I’ve absolutely no fear of myself. I know all my various aspects from the holy to the supremely degenerate. I know the same range of aspects to be in all other people. If another man swear out his desire for my death and demonstrate willingness to make it happen, I have no pity or regret in striking that man down. It is simple survival. Him or me. Who do I wish to live more?
Jobling’s idea is not different from the idiots protesting Israel defending itself. Palestinian Arab Muslims are every bit as human as me. If they say they mean to war, I would take them at their word. I know the species well.
I think that Jews are in a world of hurt in the United States when the economy implodes. In accordance with “The culture of Critique” Organized Jewry has been at the forefront of changing the United States from a white European Nation into a nonwhite nation. The white population is enraged and the white natioanlist movement is making very aggressive headway into tapping into and channeling this well justified rage. As the economy implodes, that system of rewards and punishments known as Political Correctness also breaks down. This is the only mechanism along with the precious gift of “white guilt” that Jews and other non-European interlopers have to keeping white nationalism in check.
The pressures of survival in an economically depressed United States will unhinge the white Euro population. The military and law enforcement apparatus are majority white and WILL not violently put down a revolution which reliably occur in times of economic collapse.
There are good Jews. However, as unified social group they have acted against the collective interests of white Europeans for centuries. As a human being and White Nationalist I feel bad that good Jews will likely suffer along with the bad. The best thing they can do for themselves is to radically denounce organized Jewry as Mark Winkler does on http://www.ziopedia.org and hope and pray for mercy.
Israel is a Nation-State, based around commonalities of ethnos, culture, religion, etc. like most of the countries in the world. The USA is not — it’s built around *ideas* of freedom and opportunity, not around any particular culture or ethnic group. It’s our ideology that binds us all together, no matter what Hyphenated-American background we come from. I suggest reading Sharansky’s new book “Defending Identity”.
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