Comments on: Why do Jews push and push and push this? http://kvetcher.net/2009/03/2942/why-do-jews-push-and-push-and-push-this/ kvetch \KVECH\, intransitive verb: To complain habitually. noun: 1. A complaint 2. A habitual complainer. Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:56:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Haveil Havalim #210- Locke, Hurley and Starbuck Edition « Random Thoughts- Do They Have Meaning? http://kvetcher.net/2009/03/2942/why-do-jews-push-and-push-and-push-this/comment-page-1/#comment-11345 Haveil Havalim #210- Locke, Hurley and Starbuck Edition « Random Thoughts- Do They Have Meaning? Sat, 04 Apr 2009 07:38:23 +0000 http://kvetcher.net/?p=2942#comment-11345 [...] David wants to know Why do Jews push and push and push this? [...] [...] David wants to know Why do Jews push and push and push this? [...]

]]> By: DK http://kvetcher.net/2009/03/2942/why-do-jews-push-and-push-and-push-this/comment-page-1/#comment-11242 DK Mon, 30 Mar 2009 05:15:52 +0000 http://kvetcher.net/?p=2942#comment-11242 Guy White -- yes, seems like it. Guy White — yes, seems like it.

]]> By: Guy White http://kvetcher.net/2009/03/2942/why-do-jews-push-and-push-and-push-this/comment-page-1/#comment-11239 Guy White Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:20:39 +0000 http://kvetcher.net/?p=2942#comment-11239 "Why do so many Jews — who ultimately, are motivated by religious and/or cultural sensibilities — feel the need to convince gentiles that male circumcision is such a wonderful idea?" For the same reason people want to prove the existence of God scientifically and also to prove to raise their own self-esteem by saying, "see, even the outsiders now agree with us" “Why do so many Jews — who ultimately, are motivated by religious and/or cultural sensibilities — feel the need to convince gentiles that male circumcision is such a wonderful idea?”

For the same reason people want to prove the existence of God scientifically and also to prove to raise their own self-esteem by saying, “see, even the outsiders now agree with us”

]]> By: Why do Jews push and push and push this? — The Kvetcher | Diseases Info http://kvetcher.net/2009/03/2942/why-do-jews-push-and-push-and-push-this/comment-page-1/#comment-11229 Why do Jews push and push and push this? — The Kvetcher | Diseases Info Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:06:46 +0000 http://kvetcher.net/?p=2942#comment-11229 [...] View post:  Why do Jews push and push and push this? — The Kvetcher [...] [...] View post:  Why do Jews push and push and push this? — The Kvetcher [...]

]]> By: Joseph http://kvetcher.net/2009/03/2942/why-do-jews-push-and-push-and-push-this/comment-page-1/#comment-11217 Joseph Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:08:49 +0000 http://kvetcher.net/?p=2942#comment-11217 It's always funny how ANY study that shows a "reduction" in the infection of whatever disease have you, is significant enough to make the jump to say "See? All children should be circumcised immediately. All parents need to be informed, and Medicaid should cover it." Not too long ago one Arleen A. Leibowitz was urging the circumcision of minors and its funding in language not too different from what the authors of the latest "study" are using. http://www.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=622581 Numbers like "a 35% reduction in HPV infection, a 28% reduction in herpes, and a 60% reduction in AIDS" are always optimistically touted, but they don't want to talk about how there is still a 65% risk for HPV, a 72% risk in herpes, and a 40% risk in HIV. If anything, these "studies" show how circumcision FAILS as anykind of "prevention method" for these viruses, yet circumcision advocates invariably, immediately make the leap to say these numbers legitimize the circumcision of healthy newborns who aren't even at any risk for STD infection. "There's a good case to be made that circumcisions can protect our children," Leibowitz says. Infants? Who can't yet even fathom of sex? From STDs? Is she JOKING??? Scientists should be striving to find a solution to a problem, not problems that legitimize a pre-determined "solution." The "scientists" in these "studies" are more interested in legitimizing the circumcision of infants than they are in actual STD prevention, and that is counterproductive in the fight against STDs. You know what else is funny? How they DON'T tell you circumcision isn't working in Israel. Haaretz published the following: http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/996706.html http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1000259.html http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/998873.html Since the authors of these articles can't serve up circumcision as the solution, they're forced to actually talk about practical prevention measures (e.g, condoms, education campaigns, testing, etc.). The following article talks about how circumcisions, esp. of the traditional variety performed by mohels, actually CAUSE urinary tract infections. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1043807.html Circumcision can't prevent AIDS and it even CAUSES UTIs in ISRAEL of all places, but even so, I doubt we will stop hearing about how circumcision is this great and wonderful Jewish gift to mankind. It would be interesting to see Kotz address THESE little issues in one of her articles. Very interesting indeed. It’s always funny how ANY study that shows a “reduction” in the infection of whatever disease have you, is significant enough to make the jump to say “See? All children should be circumcised immediately. All parents need to be informed, and Medicaid should cover it.”

Not too long ago one Arleen A. Leibowitz was urging the circumcision of minors and its funding in language not too different from what the authors of the latest “study” are using.

http://www.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=622581

Numbers like “a 35% reduction in HPV infection, a 28% reduction in herpes, and a 60% reduction in AIDS” are always optimistically touted, but they don’t want to talk about how there is still a 65% risk for HPV, a 72% risk in herpes, and a 40% risk in HIV. If anything, these “studies” show how circumcision FAILS as anykind of “prevention method” for these viruses, yet circumcision advocates invariably, immediately make the leap to say these numbers legitimize the circumcision of healthy newborns who aren’t even at any risk for STD infection. “There’s a good case to be made that circumcisions can protect our children,” Leibowitz says. Infants? Who can’t yet even fathom of sex? From STDs? Is she JOKING???

Scientists should be striving to find a solution to a problem, not problems that legitimize a pre-determined “solution.” The “scientists” in these “studies” are more interested in legitimizing the circumcision of infants than they are in actual STD prevention, and that is counterproductive in the fight against STDs.

You know what else is funny? How they DON’T tell you circumcision isn’t working in Israel. Haaretz published the following:

http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/996706.html

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1000259.html

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/998873.html

Since the authors of these articles can’t serve up circumcision as the solution, they’re forced to actually talk about practical prevention measures (e.g, condoms, education campaigns, testing, etc.).

The following article talks about how circumcisions, esp. of the traditional variety performed by mohels, actually CAUSE urinary tract infections.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1043807.html

Circumcision can’t prevent AIDS and it even CAUSES UTIs in ISRAEL of all places, but even so, I doubt we will stop hearing about how circumcision is this great and wonderful Jewish gift to mankind. It would be interesting to see Kotz address THESE little issues in one of her articles. Very interesting indeed.

]]> By: Sarah/froylein http://kvetcher.net/2009/03/2942/why-do-jews-push-and-push-and-push-this/comment-page-1/#comment-11210 Sarah/froylein Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:58:24 +0000 http://kvetcher.net/?p=2942#comment-11210 Now what? Mayhaps a more proper field research that will take cultural aspects out of the equation e.g. whether circumcised men are more likely to lead monogamous relationships, how many sexual partners they have, how circumcision affects their sex life and possibly their libido, the public view and acceptance of prostitution and concubines etc.? Mayhaps a little more frankness admitting that there are high rates of HIV infections even in African states where circumcision is a common procedure (also, but not only just related to Muslim circumcision)? Studies like the ones quoted ring me as cynical. Now what? Mayhaps a more proper field research that will take cultural aspects out of the equation e.g. whether circumcised men are more likely to lead monogamous relationships, how many sexual partners they have, how circumcision affects their sex life and possibly their libido, the public view and acceptance of prostitution and concubines etc.? Mayhaps a little more frankness admitting that there are high rates of HIV infections even in African states where circumcision is a common procedure (also, but not only just related to Muslim circumcision)? Studies like the ones quoted ring me as cynical.

]]> By: Facts Shmacks « The Cheerer http://kvetcher.net/2009/03/2942/why-do-jews-push-and-push-and-push-this/comment-page-1/#comment-11209 Facts Shmacks « The Cheerer Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:19:29 +0000 http://kvetcher.net/?p=2942#comment-11209 [...] people to do it and that there are no real studies that prove that it helps anyone.  Its all the Jews [...] [...] people to do it and that there are no real studies that prove that it helps anyone.  Its all the Jews [...]

]]> By: Freely http://kvetcher.net/2009/03/2942/why-do-jews-push-and-push-and-push-this/comment-page-1/#comment-11208 Freely Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:07:20 +0000 http://kvetcher.net/?p=2942#comment-11208 oooo. Now what? oooo. Now what?

]]> By: TM http://kvetcher.net/2009/03/2942/why-do-jews-push-and-push-and-push-this/comment-page-1/#comment-11207 TM Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:29:42 +0000 http://kvetcher.net/?p=2942#comment-11207 Greetings, Kelsey! I bring you the following: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123802256715541879.html Greetings, Kelsey!

I bring you the following:

http://online.wsj.com/article/.....41879.html

]]> By: Sarah/froylein http://kvetcher.net/2009/03/2942/why-do-jews-push-and-push-and-push-this/comment-page-1/#comment-11203 Sarah/froylein Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:40:45 +0000 http://kvetcher.net/?p=2942#comment-11203 Heheh, "Kotz" means "purge". Heheh, “Kotz” means “purge”.

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