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	<title>Comments on: For Dark Light Rabbi, Getting Modern Orthodox Jew to Become Haredi and Blow Off College/Career Makes It All Worthwhile</title>
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		<title>By: baalhabos</title>
		<link>http://kvetcher.net/2009/07/3550/for-dark-light-rabbi-getting-modern-orthodox-jew-to-become-haredi-and-blow-off-collegecareer-makes-it-all-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-12773</link>
		<dc:creator>baalhabos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Five years in a yeshiva, with a black hat, black suit, and white shirt, I presume? Well, that’s a good start…but is he on the government dole yet? Does he accept food stamps? In other words, is he a true ben Toyrah?

Don&#039;t worry.  If not him, then his children for sure. Just give them time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Five years in a yeshiva, with a black hat, black suit, and white shirt, I presume? Well, that’s a good start…but is he on the government dole yet? Does he accept food stamps? In other words, is he a true ben Toyrah?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry.  If not him, then his children for sure. Just give them time.</p>
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		<title>By: Freely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all i&#039;m talking about American rights, because I am an American not an Israeli.  Second of all Israel is in some form a theocracy, America is not.  
Third and most importantly I am against the oppression of homosexuals in EVERY country but I am talking about America here, a place where everyone is supposedly equal.  Stop trying to change the subject.  While I am addressing your obvious hypocritical attitude when it comes to homosexuals you are deflecting the question without actually answering it.   Your a hypocrite.  You attack haredim for their treatment of the non-frum and yet are against gay marriage for no reason and are willing to sacrifice their rights for the advancement of the liberal party.  How dare you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all i&#8217;m talking about American rights, because I am an American not an Israeli.  Second of all Israel is in some form a theocracy, America is not.<br />
Third and most importantly I am against the oppression of homosexuals in EVERY country but I am talking about America here, a place where everyone is supposedly equal.  Stop trying to change the subject.  While I am addressing your obvious hypocritical attitude when it comes to homosexuals you are deflecting the question without actually answering it.   Your a hypocrite.  You attack haredim for their treatment of the non-frum and yet are against gay marriage for no reason and are willing to sacrifice their rights for the advancement of the liberal party.  How dare you</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Eyges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Eyges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I took off the beard, added long hair, put in an earring, dressed him in a tee-shirt and torn jeans and voila – it was him!&lt;/i&gt;

I used to do that with an Etch-a Sketch. 

&lt;i&gt;The amazing confluence of my doubts and the arrival of this visitor and his message was a clear answer from G-d to my questioning what He really wants me to be doing.&lt;/i&gt;

A clear answer - right. Seriously, the evangelicals tell stories like this all the time - some synchronicity is always occurring that convinces them they&#039;re doing God&#039;s work. The thing is - they also believe the Hareidi guy &lt;i&gt;isn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt;. In fact, they believe he&#039;ll be going to hell for his all his trouble. (Although I understand some of them make allowances for those who vote Republican.)

So, as a preemptive strike, in case one of these guys shows up here to tell you how lost your poor &lt;i&gt;yiddishe nehomoh&lt;/i&gt; is (or if your protege comes to protest your use of the term &quot;ghetto penguin&quot;) - why should I believe the kiruv guy and not the evangelical missionary? 

Of course, I already know the answer - if I really study, and really REALLY believe, and place all of my trust in the gedoylim - I&#039;ll understand how wrong they are and how right we are.

(Is is true that, a là Peter Pan, every time a Jew becomes an apikoros, a godol dies?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I took off the beard, added long hair, put in an earring, dressed him in a tee-shirt and torn jeans and voila – it was him!</i></p>
<p>I used to do that with an Etch-a Sketch. </p>
<p><i>The amazing confluence of my doubts and the arrival of this visitor and his message was a clear answer from G-d to my questioning what He really wants me to be doing.</i></p>
<p>A clear answer &#8211; right. Seriously, the evangelicals tell stories like this all the time &#8211; some synchronicity is always occurring that convinces them they&#8217;re doing God&#8217;s work. The thing is &#8211; they also believe the Hareidi guy <i>isn&#8217;t</i>. In fact, they believe he&#8217;ll be going to hell for his all his trouble. (Although I understand some of them make allowances for those who vote Republican.)</p>
<p>So, as a preemptive strike, in case one of these guys shows up here to tell you how lost your poor <i>yiddishe nehomoh</i> is (or if your protege comes to protest your use of the term &#8220;ghetto penguin&#8221;) &#8211; why should I believe the kiruv guy and not the evangelical missionary? </p>
<p>Of course, I already know the answer &#8211; if I really study, and really REALLY believe, and place all of my trust in the gedoylim &#8211; I&#8217;ll understand how wrong they are and how right we are.</p>
<p>(Is is true that, a là Peter Pan, every time a Jew becomes an apikoros, a godol dies?)</p>
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		<title>By: kiss my bris</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiss my bris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ll say! Five years in a yeshiva, with a black hat, black suit, and white shirt, I presume? Well, that’s a good start…but is he on the government dole yet? Does he accept food stamps? In other words, is he a true ben Toyrah?

DK, 
The above is not the qualification anymore if someone is a ben Toyrah.   Nowadays, true ben Toyrahs also have to riot in Jerusalem and spit on female reporters.  The bar has been raised again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ll say! Five years in a yeshiva, with a black hat, black suit, and white shirt, I presume? Well, that’s a good start…but is he on the government dole yet? Does he accept food stamps? In other words, is he a true ben Toyrah?</p>
<p>DK,<br />
The above is not the qualification anymore if someone is a ben Toyrah.   Nowadays, true ben Toyrahs also have to riot in Jerusalem and spit on female reporters.  The bar has been raised again.</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
		<link>http://kvetcher.net/2009/07/3550/for-dark-light-rabbi-getting-modern-orthodox-jew-to-become-haredi-and-blow-off-collegecareer-makes-it-all-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-12768</link>
		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freely, shouldn&#039;t you be fighting for gay marriage in Israel? Since you feel so strongly about it, why don&#039;t you fight for the Israeli homosexual community?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freely, shouldn&#8217;t you be fighting for gay marriage in Israel? Since you feel so strongly about it, why don&#8217;t you fight for the Israeli homosexual community?</p>
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		<title>By: Freely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For DK For ignoring the rights of select Americans (homosexuals) but taking religious jews down a peg who are violating no one else&#039;s rights in this county makes it all worthwhile</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For DK For ignoring the rights of select Americans (homosexuals) but taking religious jews down a peg who are violating no one else&#8217;s rights in this county makes it all worthwhile</p>
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