This is why people don’t want frum Jews to move into their neighborhood
November 30, 2009 Education, Jewish Community
This is what will happen to your school board. Watch as these poor upstanding gentiles desperately attempt to defend their school board from what less sensitive souls than myself would suspect is less than above board machinations.
What a bunch of sleazy heimeshes. Or as Failed Messiah describes them, “haredi thugs.”
Look at how public institutions are viewed as grist for the corrupt haredi machine.
If you want to keep your neighborhood a good neighborhood, don’t let the Orthodox build an eruv.
Lack of an eruv will keep out the Modern Orthodox, and no Modern Orthodox will preempt the haredim from building an enclave.
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These are the people that are most likely to “wake up” to the Islamic threat first? How does that help, when they’re so much like the CAIR thugs I’ve seen in action at Irvine city council meetings?
They are the extreme wing of the Orthodox world, and because the Orthodox can neutralize–to some degree–the Left of the Jewish world once motivated.
Dont let them build an eruv? Hate all you want on the religious jews but to say “dont let them build an eruv”?
Nice that you see freedom just to be for the people YOU want.
Ive seen you rail against black hats, im surprised in light of this, that you dont insist that they are made illegal.
You know what we call people like you?
A bigot, plain and simple
Freely, not everyone has to be allowed to bring the public space into their religion.
I think it is perfectly acceptable for citizens of a municipality to decline to allow the public space to be utilized for religious ritual.
And considering what it often leads to, it may be advisable.
Freely, your rants and raves would be better served if you knew proper English grammar and punctuation.
First of all, Freely is an idiot. He starts off by saying “hate all you want on the Orthodox…” and then slams you for um, hating on the Orthodox. What a fucking douche and a fucking hypocrite, like all the rest of them.
As far as the video, and the Lo-Hud article it comes along with (I can’t link it now as I’m away from my PC), all I have to say is: UNBE-FUCKING-LIEVABL! Look out! Here come the Orthodox…
First of all OTD I was saying that he has a right to hate them, free country and all, but DK is the one who is a hypocrite for denying one group a freedom.
Just like you have the right to be a stereotyping jerk “What a fucking douche and a fucking hypocrite, like all the rest of them.”
Second of all NYentah, your comments would be better served if they had some actual content or rebuttal rather then being the English police
Third of all, DK, your completely right, but to DENY someone something because of their religion is unconstitutional and wrong and as I said…bigoted
No one is being denied anything. Who says you are guaranteed an eruv?
This isn’t Israel. Maybe you should make Aliyah?
First of all, if Israel was the Israel you wanted I WOULDN’T have that right, in fact I would be forbidden because i would be expressing myself religiously which i know you hate.
Second of all, you obviously know little about the law, it is ANYTHING that is denied based on religion short of commerce : whether something as commonly known as a job to something like an eruv. If you are doing it because of a specific religion it is illegal. Not to be confused with things like Christmas or Hanukkah decorations on public property, that is advocating religion as opposed to here where it is a religious act having nothing to do with a public advocate for it
That’s right DK, hate on them all you want. Just don’t deny them an eruv!!!!!
Freely, I think you’re on thin ice discussing other people’s freedoms. Most people in civilized countries are very democratic, while you religious folk tend to favor more theocracies (as long as they’re run by your kind). Now DK may be a bit out there in terms of his anti-immigration views, but I’m sure he has much less problems with your freedoms than you do with his.
Freely, people don’t have to allow for an eruv. It involves public property. They can decline.
First of all, if Israel was the Israel you wanted I WOULDN’T have that right, in fact I would be forbidden because i would be expressing myself religiously which i know you hate.
How so? Because I would squash your “freedom” to make women ride in the back of the nationally owned buses? Or sucking on a baby’s circumcised penis? What exact freedom of expression do you believe I would deny you, Freely?
I watched the whole Ramapo board meeting on Youtube, it can just as easily be a TV drama and it didn’t even need background music or sound effects. XD
There is definitely something shady about the haredim in the board over there.
“Freely, not everyone has to be allowed to bring the public space into their religion.
I think it is perfectly acceptable for citizens of a municipality to decline to allow the public space to be utilized for religious ritual.”
And exactly how does an eruv impose on you? I am sure you realize that no court agrees with you.
DK: “Freely, people don’t have to allow for an eruv. It involves public property. They can decline.”
The courts in the end did not allow a municipality to decline the rights to establish an eruv. An eruv does not impose on anyone.
NYentah,
Don’t be an elitist. Attacking someone’s use of grammar rather than content might lead some to believe that you have nothing o value to add to the conversation.
Offthederech,
Please don’t make personal attacks on people. Frankly, I’m surprised DK didn’t moderate your comment.
ON BACKGROUND:
I am unaware of the legalities of East Rampo specifically, but I do know that it is the trend in Lawrence for frum people to join to public school board in an effort to reign in spending. School board members in that town are voted in by the public, and there is no ordinance barring non-parents of public school kids to join — for good reason: Members of the public without kids in public school — older people, people without children, and private school parents — become frustrated by the absurdly high taxes in this areas, which great waste especially on schools.
No-bid contracts (I’ve read about the NYC public school system contracting out a firm at $90,000 per repair for a simple inkjet printer) and absurdly high teachers pensions and benefits place the cost per child, per year near $20,000 in my district.
Parents of public kids don’t mind rubber stamping an enormous school budget, but those without would like a hand in the process as well.
The frum and other groups have a proper legal right to sit on such a board, and I suspect that much of that tension was caused by resentment that a non-public parent, less poised for overspending, was chair of the board.
Having said that, I don’t know what the deal is with the lawyer under investigation. Who knows what the chair’s aims were in proposing that.
>> but I do know that it is the trend in Lawrence for frum people to join to public school board in an effort to reign in spending.
Halfsours, you just got a major case of foot-in-mouth disease.
I watched the whole Ramapo board meeting on youtube. The haredim in that particular school board meeting did not reign in spending; they chose a more expensive lawyer over less expensive attornies.
The previous attornies did not charge to come to the school, and the haredim’s lawyer does charge to come to work, which is an absurdity.
SJ,
Foot and mouth? What I wrote was on background. I wasn’t speaking to East Rampo or this weirdness with the lawyer. Not everything has to be the start of a debate.
HalfSours,
Hardly an elitist, I simply find it difficult to follow an argument (oral or written) that is so grammatically impaired that it impedes understanding the content. When I have to think, “I guess he means this…,” then it is questionable if readers need to be bothered laboring through such a post. Perhaps others don’t mind, but I find it annoying. It’s that simple. Hardly elitist.
In this country, public education is a given. So we’d better start improving it, not tearing down. Yes, there are egregious violations of inappropriate spending. But let’s not throw the baby(ies) out with the bath water. It is costly to educate children, especially if we want our nation to begin to compete globally again. It’s just common sense, so please don’t tell me how it can be done with $5.00 per year, per child, or some such nonsense.
Why are frum people even on the board in the first place? Aren’t their kids all in yeshiva? Even the MO people I know have their kids in private school.
Why are frum people even on the board in the first place?
So they can direct and control public funds.
Like you didn’t know that.
But they didn’t keep people from getting on school boards, did they? I mean, if anybody can get on a schoolboard even if their kids are not in public schools, [why] aren’t others on there? That kind of religious or pseudo-religious fervor mingling with public education hardly seems to be unique to ultra-Orthodox Jews.
BTW, an eruv need not always be physical.
Checks and Balances
A board of public parents, and a board of regular citizens who also carry the tax burden is what we call in America checks and balances.
Five dollars is your figure, not mine NYentah. But surely there’s a happy medium between $5 and $20,000 that can be reached by proper oversight.
It is more costly because there is waste, and bullying by the teachers’ union, run by Randi Weingarten — the biggest female thug in NYC. In a time when the state is in $3 billion debt — and those privately employed face pay cuts or freezes– she just secured at 8 percent raise over two years for NYC school teachers. Similarly, no-bid contracts are rubber stamped by a board that uses allotted funds to simply avoid facing appropriate cuts the following year — or put their friends on the dole, as those chareidim appear to be attempting.
Halfsours: Don’t tell everybody what to do.
I can’t believe you’re practically defending those frummies. What are you, Mrs. Frumski, or something?
(Goes and barfs into a trashcan.)
“Don’t tell everybody what to do” is a command.
I’m not defending any frummies. I’m defending the rights of any citizen — public parent or not — to sit legally on school boards.
Well, this post is not about you and your anger at the public school system since you refuse to allow your kids to mingle with goyim. It’s about a bunch of crooks.
Ask yourself, o religious saints: What they are doing may be legal. But is it MORAL???
1) I don’t have kids
2) I’m not chareidi
3) even if I did have kids, and was chareidi, it would be my right to be ”angry’ at a school board spending my tax dollars with abandon — and my right to raise that issue at any juncture I feel appropriate
“What they are doing may be legal. But is it MORAL???”
Who is they, the Chair of the board in this video? It appears they are trying to put their friend on the dole — which I stated above. So no, not moral.
It is moral to sit on a board if you don’t have kids int he system, but are pumping your dollars into it in any case? I’d say so. The law says so. I’d love to join the local school board. In fact, maybe I will.
The (minority) board members state they’re very saddened with the direction the board is headed. Do you think the Haredim are using their power to help the community and the district, or are they selfishly looking out for their own interests specifically? Also–do you think the Hasid in charge behaved in a matter befitting The Chosen People? Do you think he brings glory or disgrace to the Jewish people?
I’m concerned with people’s rights — not how they chose to exercise them.
It’s not about rights or exercise. It’s about power. And religion. And morality. And most importantly, tyranny and religion’s wonderful historical record when it comes to politics.
Yes, in this instance, from the 8 minutes I saw it appears to be about some form of back scratching. But what’re you going to do, ban chareidim from the school board? You can’t do it unless you ban all non-public parents.
You can’t do it unless you ban all non-public parents.
Ban all non-public parents.
Then you lose the check (that broke down in this case) on spending. In the New York suburbs, education is the largest public expenditure. I believe the state as a whole is the same. That’s why Patterson is having trouble coming up with $3 billion — because it’s all in education, which the union and parents tell Albany they can’t cut.
I don’t know. Ban Orthodox Jews. There’s got to be some way to deal with them. Can you imagine if they reproduce at record numbers and become a majority in a city, state, or even a country? Holy crap!
You’d have some sort of democratically-elected theocracy. I don’t even want to think about it.
Not too relevant, but here’s a great debate (five parts) where you see that religious folks are just peachy.
>But what’re you going to do, ban chareidim from the school board?
I would think you wouldn’t need to. Seeing as how they devote their lives to their religion, they must be extrememly moral, upstanding, righteous citizens, who are a true “light unto the nations.”
Um……
>> You’d have some sort of democratically-elected theocracy. I don’t even want to think about it.
Hitler took power “democratically.”
Excellet point. I suppose there’s nothing to do in that case. I mean, majority rules. Rules are rules even when you don’t like them…
You wouldn’t want to ban any Nazis, of course. They have rights like you and me, after all…
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