HIAS Holocaustian Graduate Discovers New Pool for Third World Immigration: Gays and Lesbians
December 5, 2009 Holocaustism, Immigration
HIAS is Franchising
A New Classification for a Limitless and Easily Manipulated Category of Refugees
Israeli-Born Holocaustian Neil Grungras, founder of the “Organization for Refuge, Asylum, & Migration” Believes Third World LGBT Population are The New Jews
Michael Kaminer of the Forward reports,
A former executive of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society is about to shake up the world of refugee aid. Longtime refugee advocate, Neil Grungras, founded the Organization for Refuge, Asylum, & Migration last January and it is on the verge of launching a historic global survey about prevailing attitudes toward lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender migrants.
A New Cause: Former Jewish refugee specialist Neil Grungras now seeks to aid gay and transgender people fleeing oppression.
Starting in January 2010, ORAM will query more than 100 NGOs worldwide about their protocols for helping gay and transgender individuals — “the most persecuted group on the planet,” according to Grungras. The new agency bills itself as “the first international Non-Governmental Organization focusing on refugees fleeing sexual and gender-based violence.”
Where do you think these refugees are going to be coming from? France? Canada?
And I wonder where, oh where, he will want to put them.
And the great thing is, how do you prove someone isn’t gay or Lesbian? Kind of hard to prove isn’t it? I guess we had better just take their word for it.
What is motivating this mission? Would you believe…
Grungras’s zeal isn’t just academic. The son of a Polish-born mother who survived Auschwitz, and a German-born father who survived Polish work camps, he sees “striking parallels” between the persecution of Jews in the Holocaust and the persecution of gay and transgender people in many countries in the world today.
Whenever a Jew invokes his Holocaustian descent as a motivational factor, he should immediately be removed from a position of communal or civic leadership. Such people do not work for the U.S. And they do not work for the Jewish community.
They work for the Baal HaShoah.
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You don’t really think terrorists are going to masquerade as gay men so they can get in here and start blowing up buildings?
An immigration lawyer was jailed for advising clients to say they were gay.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....ion-fraud/
But what will happen — worst case — if the clients themselves come up with idea, and the idea is promoted as a successful way to receive asylum in the U.S. and bypass normal immigration by becoming an asylum seeker?
What exactly do you think the applicants are going to have to do? Walk around town in a dress and heels?
Sounds like an SNL routine.
But the terrorists are coming from countries that oppress gay people. I’d think there would be a tremendous stigma attached to feigning an alternate orientation.
But the terrorists are coming from countries that oppress gay people. I’d think there would be a tremendous stigma attached to feigning an alternate orientation.
To whom? To feign it in front of the social worker? Is it really that hard?
And if someone is dedicated to causing trouble or for an ideological mission, would they not be the most willing to feign whatever they have to?
Well, I suppose, if they only had to masquerade in front of a social worker or an INS representative. But these things have a way of leaking out. What if he got here, and his community learned that he was “gay”, and he began to suffer because of it, and had to reveal his deception – I don’t know; it seems improbable to me. But I suppose more improbable things happen all the time.
Jeff,
An Iranian mullah ruled a few years ago that you could kill other Muslims if it meant killing Jews as well. You don’t think some of them would fake being gay?
Jeff, Islamicism is an ends justifies the means theology. They have been involved with porn sites to raise money. They don’t care.
Yeah, I guess.
Jeff, I think I know what’s bothering you. It does seem cruel not to want to help those who are suffering. And what is happening to gays and lesbians is horrific.
But what is happening to so many people in the world is also horrific. What happens to most girls and women in Muslim black Africa is so horrific they can’t effectively even be lesbians.
But we can’t just bring everyone here. That’s a sure-fire recipe to become an overpopulated third world country.
Contrast HIAS to a truly global organization like AJWS, that seeks to make those areas a better place. If we want to help the world and if one wants to be a global citizen, it is AJWS’s path that is the answer, not that of HIAS.
HIAS seeks globalism at the expense of citizenship.
I understand. I’m not really giving you a hard time about it. And, of course, I agree completely about female genital mutilation – truly, I think a mandatory death sentence ought to be imposed upon those who perform it, and all aid withheld from countries that refuse to sign on. I feel that strongly about it.
I have mixed feelings about Islam as regards its propensity for breeding terrorism. On the one hand, there are millions of moderate Muslims who are appalled. On the other, it seems to foster terrorism in a way that Christianity and Judaism just don’t. Years ago, Max Dimont, the historian, suggested that perhaps no religion should be judged until it has at least two millennia under its belt. In any case, I find that these days, any statement about Islam made by anyone on the Right strikes me as ignorant, and anything from the Left as naive (I don’t include you in this).
Islam used to be much more flexible than it is now. On Saturday, I was at a gallery talk at the Harvard Art Museum. They have an exhibit right now about the depiction of Sufis in Islamic art. The curator was talking about artistic motifs during the Abassid Caliphate, and she mentioned that one of the motifs used was that of the Bodhisattva – a Buddhist icon. I was surprised; I would have thought the theological differences would have been prohibitive, but apparently not. I’ve mentioned this to you before – although, as with all religions, Islam has been interpreted with varying degrees of literalism, fundamentalism, in the form of Wahabism/Islamicism, is a new development in its history.
Christianity, by contrast, has always been exclusivist. Liberal Christians like to say that Christian fundamentalism is a recent development as well, and they don’t like it when I point out that although fundamentalism as a movement is only a century old, having arisen as a reaction to modernity and liberalizing trends within the Church, the things today’s fundamentalists believe – substitutionary atonement, salvific exclusivism, eternal damnation for everyone outside the fold – reflect what most Christians have believed for most of the past 2,000 years.
In any case, I don’t really worry about the dangers of Muslim immigration in the way that you do, because, as I’ve told you, I don’t think we have that much time left. As I keep saying, America is finished. We aren’t coming back from this, and the single greatest causal factor leading up to our degraded state has been the behavior of the lunatics and criminals whom the Christian fundamentalists have spent the past thirty years voting into office. Due to the interconnected nature of the global economy, as we go down, we’ll be taking everyone else down with us. We’re facing, within the next few years, the end of our global civilization – quite possibly the end of humanity. In my view, the Christians ended up being far more toxic to humanity than the Muslims have ever been.
Of course, I have a different perspective from that of most people. I’m middle-aged, and I have no children; I have no investment in continuity. I have the luxury of giving up. Still, when I hear about something like this, I think, “Good Lord, what’s next?”
Three addenda:
1. I understand that no one country can take in everyone fleeing poverty or a totalitarian regime, but I just can’t put myself in the position of telling someone, “You can’t come here.” If the US had said this to our families, where would we be? (Actually, now that I think about it, I’d be in Europe, or I’d be dead – either one would be preferable!)
2. Yes, AJWS is an absolutely first-rate organization. I think I told you I met Ruth Messinger recently. She just goes non-stop, and she’s more than doubled their assets over the past few years. In fact, I just remembered – she was up here this past week, and I could have attended a talk she gave to a small group in a private home here in Brookline, and I completely forgot! Now I’m really bummed. See, this is why I have to move to NYC.
3. My use of the term “Good Lord” is entirely rhetorical. I’m in a foxhole, and I’m still an atheist. In fact, being in the foxhole is largely what made me one.
“as I’ve told you, I don’t think we have that much time left.”
This is a major concern as well, in terms of how to survive in an increasingly diverse landscape.
We have no reason to believe our heterogenous society will do well when shit goes down.We may very well find that diversity is not, in fact, our greatest strength.
Liberal Jews will still be blaming Christians for everything regardless of what Islam does.
In North Africa, Arabia, Anatolia, much of Persia, and greater Syria, Jews and Christians used to compose the overwhelming majority of the population.
Now, they’re all gone.
Where’d they go? You can’t answer that question.
Of course, you probably think Hitler was a Christian also.
Christians voted Clinton in?
Perhaps a paranoid nihilism is more toxic than Christianity, huh – at least to your point of view? I’ve noticed nihilists don’t breed a whole lot.
We have no reason to believe our heterogenous society will do well when shit goes down.We may very well find that diversity is not, in fact, our greatest strength.
Yeah, you know – the world’s a much smaller place now, David. Complete cultural autonomy isn’t an option any more. We’re all in this together now, and we’ll sink or swim as a whole. Of course, I think we’ll sink, but I don’t necessarily want you to think that.
And, you know, I don’t disagree with you about the dangers inherent in Muslim immigration. I agreed with you about that incident involving the restaurant across the street from a mosque, that was threatened if it didn’t stop serving alcohol. That was just ridiculous. It’s the sort of thing that shouldn’t be tolerated at all, and should be treated with uncompromising severity. INS (or whatever it’s called now) should come down hard on them, telling them, “One rock, one brick, even one egg, and you and your families are on the next boat back to [insert here Muslim equivalent of Palookaville].” Can you imagine an early immigrant rabbi telling a church to take down a cross, because he found it offensive?
(Actually, though, it isn’t hard to imagine a Hareidi rabbi saying something like that now!)
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